Bring on the Chastisement!

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I just finished reading the thread that said Pope Benedict has done nothing wrong. I agree. The poster who started the thread went through a litany of things that they were sick of.

I agree with them … I’m sick of the way humanity in general is behaving. Which begs the question…

Am I the only one who prays for the Chastisement?

I know I am a sinner and I am ready (or at least think I am) to be punished along with everyone else. Maybe when the time comes, I’ll wish I hadn’t, but don’t you think that at some point, God’s gotta say “enough is enough”? I think we’re pretty close to that point. The world’s love has gone cold, just as Jesus predicted.

What say you all?

Snert
 
I don’t pray for the chastisement, but for the healing and conversion of this world.
I pray that the Holy Spirit will renew this world.

Our heavenly Father, please overcome the agendas of the humanists and others who seek systematically to eradicate the teachings and love of Jesus from our societies, replacing Christian festivals with pagan symbols, and banishing Him from public life and schools, from families and societies.

Defeat the lobbying that brings about laws that allow the destruction of multi-millions of your children in the intended safety of their mothers’ wombs. Please empower Your people to strive for the overturning of such laws; and all laws which sin against Your Commandments and gospel teaching.

Please inspire the people of this world with the sanctity of marriage, and unselfishness in relationship. Please eradicate the harm to perceptions of love as promote by all forms of media, as disposable when challenges wear off the gloss of initial attraction.

Father, have mercy on all sufferers in our world, all victims of natural disasters; victims of war; and victims of unjust distribution of wealth and resources.

Reach out through your people to the hungry, to the poorly clad, to the homeless, to those without education, employment or self-respect, to the ill and the handicapped, and to all those in need.

Reach out with the voice, the example and the love of Your people, to feed the spiritually poor and lead them to Your Son, sharing with them the riches of faith, Sacrament, and eternal life.

Heavenly Father, please restore our conscience regarding this world’s resources, as excessive exploitation of natural resources has resulted in decline of animal species, climatic change and proliferation of natural disasters. These consequences threaten the welfare of our planet and its inhabitants.

Father, in Jesus’ name, please restore Your creation; and spread the gospel of Jesus throughout the world.
 
:gopray: Thank you for your prayer.

Yet that’s what I mean. The chastisement will hopefully convert those who are written in the book. I seriously think we need a disaster or something to “slap us upside the head” with reality. I include myself in that category.

I’ve only heard one other person call in to an old Mother Angelica episode say that she prays for the Chastisement. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing because generally, you don’t hear that from people.

I agree I don’t want punishment to everyone, but calamities are going to happen and people are going to realize their mistakes. Kind of like in the OT. As a matter of fact, I see this current generation as being just as obstinate in unGodly ways as the hebrews of the Old Testament.
 
Is this “chastisement” thingy another gloom-doom-and-rumors-of-boom that so many people want to believe in that is NOT supported by the teaching of the Church?
 
Cluny said:
Is this “chastisement” thingy another gloom-doom-and-rumors-of-boom that so many people want to believe in that is NOT supported by the teaching of the Church?
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No. It’s unclear, at least to me, what event will actually be the chastisement. But that is the nature of the book or Revelation I guess. It’s going to be I would think the last tribulation before end times,or maybe it includes all the tribulations before the end times. It is NOT the chastisement of Garabandal, which I once believed but now am quite a bit sketchy about: catholicplanet.com/secrets/garabandal-chastisement.htm
I’m talking natural stuff here, not God zapping bolts at people or them being taken up by the “rapture”. Earthquakes, floods, severe storms, etc… I believe this chastisement has already begun, but that’s my opionon only. Not the end time itself, just the pre-game show. Too many people have tried to say the end times are near and even Jesus said not to worry about it. But I do wish everyone would wake up somehow.

Basically, I’m up for any tribulation at this point. 🤷

But if anyone has a link to the chastisement according to Catholic teaching, please give us the link. I’ve never claimed to be right about everything pertaining to my faith.

…everything else, maybe but … :whistle:
 
Here is a link I found trying to find info about the chastisement. It also explains whey there may not be much info about it around:

catholicculture.org/commentary/articles.cfm?id=28

I wish to say I’m not a fanatic about the chastisement, just wish it would get here. I’m so impatient! I know, I know, patience is a virtue… I’m trying, really! 🙂
 
Be careful what you wish for.

It is true that there is a desperate need for everyone to do penance in these times, and that even many of the best do not even understand what penance is.

But to have it come by force can be very fearsome, and when it does often even the holy are not spared.

‘The Lord did not disdain to work great miracles through him. For at one time the Holy Spirit revealed to him the coming of the Lombards into the Gauls and he foretold it as follows: “The Lombards,” said he, “will come into the Gauls and will lay waste seven cities because their wickedness has grown in the sight of God, since no one understands, no one seeks God, no one does good to appease the anger of God. For all the people are unfaithful, given up to perjury, addicted to thievery, ready to kill, and from them comes no fruit of justice at all. Tithes are not paid, the poor are not fed, the naked are not clothed, strangers are not received with hospitality or satisfied with food. Therefore this affliction has come.”’

St. Gregory of Tours

“The most evident mark of God’s anger, and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world, is manifest when He permits His people to fall into the hands of a clergy who are more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than the charity and affection of devoted shepherds. They abandon the things of God to devote themselves to the things of the world and, in their saintly calling of holiness, they spend their time in profane and worldly pursuits. When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people and is visiting His most dreadful wrath upon them.”

Saint John Eudes
 
I’m fully aware that if that time comes, I’ll probably wish I had never asked for it. However, something needs to be done. I’ve been praying for the worlds conversion for at least 10 years now and it only seems to be getting worse. More people are drawn into the big lie. I can’t bare it anymore. It just hurts so much.

But, if God will that it continue, I can’t argue with Him either, so I’m also willing to fight the good fight as best I can.
 
In relation to the chastisement mentioned in the apparitions of Medjugorje and Garabandal, which are not approved due to the supernatural proof required will be the actual event itself, St Faustina in her diary mentions a sign in no. 83.

I don’t think that the acts of reparation asked for by the Blessed Virgin consists in wishing for a chastisement for sinners but a conversion of them and personal acts of recompense to God for their actions as this gives them the grace for conversion. I understand your feeling though. Pray for His return even though it may result in terrible afflictions for sinners, it is their own doing though. We must not be complicit in their eventual affliction by our lack of charity now.
 
I’ll note the article on Catholic Culture unfortunately has some errors in it about what the Church teaches about the end times.

One of them is regarding that the anti-Christ as an individual, which is a teaching of the Fathers and Holy Scripture and so to be a matter of the Faith. It also misquotes the Catechism.

“Before the birth of her child, the mother of the Anti-Christ will announce the advent of a Messiah who will restore great prosperity to mankind.”

Pope St. Gregory the Great

“For when lawlessness increases, they shall hate and persecute, and deliver up one another; and then shall appear the world-deceiver as Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands, and he shall commit iniquities which have never yet come to pass from the beginning of the world.”

The Didache

If I’m mistaken on this feel free to correct me, this is not my area of expertise.
 
i do not pray for a chastisement but i do a “morning offering” for the conversion of sinners and poor souls of purgatory.
 
do we get to vote on who we wish would get chastised up side the head first? do we get to vote on how each one will get his chastisement? you all be nice to me, now, cut me some slack
 
I do not pray for the chastisement either but we really have to think that if fire and brimstone don’t rain down soon I think the people of Sodom and Gomorrah deserve a “Do-over” !! 😉

Paul
 
Here’s why praying for the chastisement is wrong:

Jesus came to save sinners, not to destroy them.

We must be merciful, or we won’t recieve mercy.

Therefore, let us pray for the conversion of sinners.

“O my Jesus I offer (thing) up to You for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the offenses against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.”
 
Hi Eucharisted. I’m not praying that all be destroyed, I’m praying that God’s will be done, as promised in the Bible.

I do exactly as you said, and pray for sinners, but I also pray for the unborn who’s “blood cries out for vengeance” too. I know it sounds contradictory, but it’s not. God knows what we need, He knows I don’t. Basically, I’m praying for the chastisement but He knows I’ll accept whatever He ultimately does. He also knows I’m not vengeful, and that it’s not the reason I’m praying for it to come.

I’m just one of the few, I guess, that prefers the chastisement come quickly rather than let the world go into more chaos. What I get from the Bible myself is that we are already in the end times basically and that it’s not going to get any better. I don’t see how it can get better when it’s already predicted by Jesus that these things must happen. To me, praying that it not happen would be like Peter telling Jesus that “God forbid those things happen to you” and we all know what Jesus said after that. I have hope that many will convert, not necessarily to Catholicism (though that would be nice), but have their hearts turn to God in whatever way pleases Him. Remember, the chastisement is not the end times, it’s more of a wake-up call. And also remember that the chastisement is not God’s wrath, but His mercy. If you listen to Scott Hahn, he goes to explain in one of his talks that even Hell comes from God’s Mercy. It really does make sense when you listen to the reasoning behind why.
 
The blood of the unborn may cry out for vengeance, but Christ came to save sinners. He satisfied with His own flesh and blood God’s justice - and vengeance - to the extent that all the repentant may be saved.

The only ‘vengeance’ any person needs to pay, assuming they repent and convert from their sins, is purgatory. Which you and I will probably have to pay along with those repentant abortionists. If they do more voluntary penance during their lives than we do, it may be that their purgatory will be less than ours.

And the only ‘vengeance’ the UNrepentant will need to pay - and more fitting than anything else - is their self-imposed punishment in Hell.

The days of Noah’s flood, Sodom and Gomorrah and what have you, are well over, my friend. Earthly chastisement is a possibility, sure, but why anyone would pray for it is beyond me. God’s merciful justice after death will be more perfect than anything that could be desired or done in earthly terms.
 
Pray for the conversion of sinners. That it doesn’t happen in the form or extent you would like is no reason to try to bring a curse on mankind by praying for ‘chastisement’ instead.

Also, I think such prayers would have a negative effect on you.
 
This thread is really different…nice job snert - you have me smiling 🙂 👍 .

It might be helpful to recall that one area where God never says ,“enough is enough” is when it comes to His Mercy, Divine Mercy; as Jesus said to Saint faustina: “My Mercy is so great that neither man nor angel could fathom it, even were they to contemplate it for all eternity.”

I’ve been there too - ie. wishing for the chastisement; so to a point, I can empathize… … … I just hate the idea of you being cast in the role of Jonas walking through Nineve where after all the song and dance, God changes His mind. I’d read a comment somewhere by our Blessed Mother that, " My Son allows his justice to be persuaded by his mercy."

God bless and save us all. Amen.
 
NeedImprovement said:
This thread is really different…nice job snert - you have me smiling 🙂 👍 .

It might be helpful to recall that one area where God never says ,“enough is enough” is when it comes to His Mercy, Divine Mercy; as Jesus said to Saint faustina: “My Mercy is so great that neither man nor angel could fathom it, even were they to contemplate it for all eternity.”

I’ve been there too - ie. wishing for the chastisement; so to a point, I can empathize… … … I just hate the idea of you being cast in the role of Jonas walking through Nineve where after all the song and dance, God changes His mind. I’d read a comment somewhere by our Blessed Mother that, " My Son allows his justice to be persuaded by his mercy."

God bless and save us all. Amen.
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Thanks NeedImprovement. I wanted to get people thinking. However, I wouldn’t mind if God changes his mind on me, after all, He’s in charge. I only want people to wake up.

I don’t think I’ve said that enough because everyone thinks I want hell to swallow them up or something. When I say wake up, I mean “hey people!!! don’t you understand you’re hurting God by doing what you think is harmless!!! Look, this is what I mean…” and then have them feel the hurt that Jesus felt on the cross, or at least a degree of it… whatever they can stand. So they then can see what they’re doing wrong.

That’s what I mean by “slapped upside the head”. But no one is willing, and I guess God speaks through them so… on to my next post…
 
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