Brokeback Lent?

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MulusChristi:
Also, from what I’ve read about the movie, it does show that the wages of sin is death!! 👍
Actually, (though I’m not positive, haven’t seen the movie, don’t intend to, just read the spoiler and the Ebert review) I think that it rather makes the point of,
“Oh, isn’t their enduring love so beautiful (gag)? Oh, how tragic that silly societal taboos prevent them from publically declaring their love! (gag)”

More like the taboos (aka homophobia) caused the unhappiness/death, rather than that the sin did. :yawn: Anyone else ever get tired of this same old refrain?
 
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The consequence of not being free is sin. I suspect many in this community have already seen Brokeback Mountain
. If not see it; if you have, see it again and reflect on the consequences of not being interiorly free, the consequences of not knowing who you really are and want to become, the tragic consequences and subsequent devastation that comes from only living in a “pretend” world. Watch carefully the price of dishonesty in yourself and with those whom you try to love.

** Let this Lent be a Brokeback** Lent. Let yourself feel genuinely dreadful at just how little you accept God’s invitation to be yourself, to be honest, to live more freely, to love more passionately, to even be prepared to die for those whom you love. So hold on to both pockets of your jacket and don’t ever forget both messages. Because while you are not the fully human being God created you to become, yet for you, this entire, magical and sacred world was made. Welcome to the hard journey we call Lent.**
Bah. Been there, done that. Trust me, it isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Sin is not freedom, it is slavery.
Also, note how he excuses sins that have “something to do with sexuality” or “being nasty to people” as not offending God? If he doesn’t actually intend to excuse sin, people will certainly hear it that way - so it’s irresponsible at best.
 
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Consecrated:
Actually, (though I’m not positive, haven’t seen the movie, don’t intend to, just read the spoiler and the Ebert review) I think that it rather makes the point of,
“Oh, isn’t their enduring love so beautiful (gag)? Oh, how tragic that silly societal taboos prevent them from publically declaring their love! (gag)”

More like the taboos (aka homophobia) caused the unhappiness/death, rather than that the sin did. :yawn: Anyone else ever get tired of this same old refrain?
Greetings Consecrated,
I haven’t seen it either and don’t plan to, but from what I’ve read in the reviews, one of the characters dies of a drug overdose. Even tho the movie is homo agitprop, it still illustrates why rampant homosexuality is part of the culture of death. Of course, I didn’t need Ang Lee to show me that. Deuteronomy and St. Paul do just fine for me.
 
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MulusChristi:
Greetings Consecrated,
I haven’t seen it either and don’t plan to, but from what I’ve read in the reviews, one of the characters dies of a drug overdose. Even tho the movie is homo agitprop, it still illustrates why rampant homosexuality is part of the culture of death. Of course, I didn’t need Ang Lee to show me that. Deuteronomy and St. Paul do just fine for me.
Amen!!!
 
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DreadVandal:
Unfortunately, its not a joke. Its the Jesuits at their finest. Can we start a petition for the suppression of their order?
A little while ago, it was the Jesuits arguing for women priests, and now this.

It’s crazy. When I was in primary school everyone admired the Jesuits for being so knowledgable and hardworking and many chose St. Ignatius as their confirmation saint. What happened in 10 years?

I heard that you have to study for 12 years to become a Jesuit. Isn’t it sad, that someone can study for 12 years and come out knowing even less truth thean they did when they went in?
 
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Flopfoot:
A little while ago, it was the Jesuits arguing for women priests, and now this.

It’s crazy. When I was in primary school everyone admired the Jesuits for being so knowledgable and hardworking and many chose St. Ignatius as their confirmation saint. What happened in 10 years?

I heard that you have to study for 12 years to become a Jesuit. Isn’t it sad, that someone can study for 12 years and come out knowing even less truth thean they did when they went in?
Hello Flopfoot,
I went to a Jesuit high school from 77 to 81. Altho I loved my teachers and the scholastics (Jesuits in training), it was clear even then that there was serious rot in the order. They were very secular then and very liberal. Fr. Mitch Pacwa aside, in most of the modern Jesuit publications I see a very strong attraction to and sympathy for homosexuality, as well as other trendy left-wing causes. Opus Dei and the Legionaries of Christ have taken the place which the Jesuits once had as the scholarly defenders of the faith. It is sad for the Jesuits, but exciting to see how the Spirit raises up new movements to replace old, dying ones.
 
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Jesusismylord:
Yes, we must pray on our knees for the light of the Holy Spriit to cleanse and heal our Church!

John Allan Loftus, S.J ?(this is how he calls himself, no “Fr” before the name-- guess that is the Jesuit style? I just caution that if anyone will send him an email, it must be in true Christian love and dignity as he is God’s priest.

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So if anyone sends him an email, do it with “true Christian love” but if you want to just post a note on this forum you can do it with true Christian hate, cynicism, scandal, backstabbing, arrogance a,d selfrighteousness, as many here are doing. Ask yourselves, would you say what you are saying here to the faces of the people you’re referring to - if you wouldn’t, should you be saying it at all.

Lots of religious priests - not just the Js - omit the title “Fr” - nothing wrong with it.
 
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DreadVandal:
all of the good ones and put them in one house and then just supress the rest.
who made you an authority on who is “good” and who’s not?
 
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So if anyone sends him an email, do it with “true Christian love” but if you want to just post a note on this forum you can do it with true Christian hate, cynicism, scandal, backstabbing, arrogance a,d selfrighteousness, as many here are doing. Ask yourselves, would you say what you are saying here to the faces of the people you’re referring to - if you wouldn’t, should you be saying it at all.

Lots of religious priests - not just the Js - omit the title “Fr” - nothing wrong with it.

Yes, you are right. There is no need to even go into the externals like “Fr” and the roman collar. I got a bit carried away by that and I apologize…

All we need to do is look at the content of this particular homily. I think that for the most part, this has been the focus of the discussions. Some people are just so outraged by what has been said. Jesus Himself was angry when the people turned the temple into a market place. This was even worse than the market place. This was no ordinary talk. This was at a homily during Holy Mass -----.and right before God’s altar, sin was being described as virtue, as something desirable and to be extolled.

Is this too different from the snake at the garden of Eden, enticing the mind and calling sin as empowering and a good thing, right there too in God’s paradise?

We are grieving this and we need to talk about it, but more than this, . we should spend time praying and asking God for His intervention, for Him to send His Spirit to cleanse and purify His church.
 
So if anyone sends him an email, do it with “true Christian love” but if you want to just post a note on this forum you can do it with true Christian hate, cynicism, scandal, backstabbing, arrogance a,d selfrighteousness, as many here are doing.
who made you an authority on who is “good” and who’s not?
That question right back at ya. What makes you think you have the right to accuse us of hate, cynicism etc? (not great wording but hopefully you get what I mean).
 
I think we can all learn from this:

Taken from
spiritdaily.com/crosscorrection.htm

…What it means is that to feel anger is not a sin; what is a sin is to handle it in the wrong way.

It’s natural to get angry when evil is done! But when we react wrongfully, we just enhance the venom. We add barbs to the stinger. Fighting fire with fire only doubles the heat. Don’t let evil engage you!

Yet we live at a time when this is rampant. Everyone is being harsh with one another. We live in a “culture of criticality.” Or we are just dealt with unfairly. I remember one time several years ago when a woman sponsoring an event literally fabricated – not exaggerated, but fabricated – words that she then attributed to me, destroying a friendship.

It was painful and the devil was clearly at work but it would have been even more painful had I attacked her back, in like fashion. As it was, I was wrong for even letting it bother me.

Angry? Yes. But anger works to the right way only when it leads to correction. It’s what we do with our anger. I should have contacted her bishop.

If you see something wrong, step back from it, disengage your emotions, pray about how to approach it, and then seek, with love, to correct it.

This is a cross we are all called to carry. We are called not to criticize or gossip, but to correct with love. That removes the sting. Is it difficult? Sometimes it seems impossible! But we are called to do it and we are called to do it at times when we don’t want to – when we would rather fight fire with fire or simply be silent. For the other extreme is letting everything go by us without doing anything about it.

Christians have a duty to “oppose evil with good, lies with the truth, and hatred with love,” Pope Benedict XVI said in his Ash Wednesday homily.

But it is in the way we do it – and we react in the wrong way when we let pride speak for us.

When something is really irksome, ask the Holy Spirit what part of your own pride it may be attaching itself to. You’ll solve the irritation!

Look at Jesus. It’s strange this day how so many have made Jesus into something that strays so far from Scripture. In the modern Church, there are many who portray Him as someone Who tolerated anything. They portray Him as so loving that nothing mattered. And nothing could be farther from the truth.

Look back at Scripture and notice how many times Jesus was admonishing!

But also see the way His admonishment – however firm – was done with love.

That’s the difference between criticism and correction.

Negativity drains energy while the power of love (and humbleness) sends correction.

How powerful that is!

Correction is seeking to make something good. It is responding to anger in the correct way. It is using love to “attack” a negative situation.

The key is love. Love is a shield against evil and allows us to say something without offending. If we love, we correct
 
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