Brokeback Mountain and the USCCB

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xphan:
Because it was beautifully made and the Oscar’s will prove that.
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As if an OSCAR meant a movie was “good”! It means that it was “edgy”, or the director is up and coming, or they took out the most ads in Variety, or actually contained a semblance of a plot with less than one cliche per 10 mintues of screen time.
It does NOT mean the movie was entertaining or worth spending $9.50 on.
 
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xphan:
It wasn’t just a gay movie, it was a love story. If I may say so, a more touching love story than a “straight” love story could be.
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What is Love?
When you love someone else, you would do anything for that person, to keep them from harm, and true love sacrifces itself for the good of the other.
Like Christ loved the Church. Like a good mother loves her children. Greater love no man hath than this, that he lay down his life for his friend (Note: it does not say, fulfill his sexual depravity for his friend. It does not say, cause the breakup of his friend’s family. It does not say, expose your friend and wife to a multitude of deadly and deforming diseases that disproportionately affect homosexuals.)
The truth is, sodomy is a sin that, if unrepented, will condemn a soul to Hell.
Hell is not in the best interest of a person. Willfully committing an act to satisfy oneself while condemning the other (and oneself) to an eternity without God (and much suffering). This is not true love. This is self love.
Cheating on your wife- self love
Putting your sexual gratification above the good of your children is self love.
This movie is about selfishness.
Hmmm… why was Lucifer kicked to the curb again?..oh yeah self love- loving himself more than God.
I have not seen the movie, but I know sin when I see it.
 
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xphan:
And falling in love with another guy isn’t wrong in my eyes.
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In my eyes it is wrong. Now we both can’t be right about this and still be true. In addition, the Church, God, natural law and thousands of years of common good are the tie breaker. You are attempting to change the truth. It cannot be done.
 
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xphan:
Because it was beautifully made and the Oscar’s will prove that.
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Since when is the Academy Award given to the most beautifully made movie? That award is a popularity contest among those who live to be noticed.
Yes, i’m homosexual and I won’t ask for forgiveness because it would be admitting that i’m doing something wrong. And falling in love with another guy isn’t wrong in my eyes.
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You are also very young. Hopefully as you mature you will see the problem with ignoring Church teachings.

Peace

Tim
 
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xphan:
Yes, i’m homosexual and I won’t ask for forgiveness because it would be admitting that i’m doing something wrong. And falling in love with another guy isn’t wrong in my eyes.
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I am very sorry to hear that you feel this way. I have no idea what it would be like to have homosexual feelings for another person so I will not say that I know what it’s like to be you.

However, I do know what it’s like to choose what I think is best - despite what God - through his Church & the Bible say is best. I’ve done it time & time again. Eventually that sin, which causes my seperation from God - the One who loves me more than anyone ever could - is too much for me to bear. It just isn’t worth it in the long run.

I believe you will - in time - come to realize that your choices that seperate you from God & His Church aren’t worth it either. When that time comes, please know that God welcomes you back with open arms. He loves you very much and He’ll help you overcome your struggles.

Peace be with you,
CM
 
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xphan:
Because it was beautifully made and the Oscar’s will prove that. Yes, i’m homosexual and I won’t ask for forgiveness because it would be admitting that i’m doing something wrong. And falling in love with another guy isn’t wrong in my eyes.
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Sin and the insiduous clarion call of the Devil is beguiling. Each of us has a weakness that Satan is able to exploit. I have my own challenges for whom I need the love and actual graces of God to overcome. His message for all of us is first and foremost to cling to Him who made us. We need to die to ourselves to find true freedom. I heartfully pray that you will listen to the call of the Holy Spirit to the deepest recessess of your heart and not allow the clanging noise of the Devil to drown out the gentle whisper of God.

It saddens God deeply for you to reject His love in preference for the fleeting and transitory attraction you are succumbing to. Take your same sex attraction and offer it up to God, ask Him to replace the emptiness of the loss of that attaction with the Love of God and let it overflow. This is your call. God Bless you in your journey. Your journey is like that of all sinners. A challenge to die to yourself.
 
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xphan:
I would appreciate it if you didn’t act like you know me. I’ve been wanting to see this film since 3 months ago when I found out about it. I even drove half an hour to find a theater that was showing it. It really was an amazing film, and you can really see the pain both characters feel in their attempt to be together. I really don’t think that this movie carried an ‘agenda’ It was just a love story between two guys. You guys need to come out of the 20th Century and not be so ignorant and more accepting of others.
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Of course I don’t know you and I dont’ need to in order to make the statement that I did. Your thoughts conveyed what you belief about homosexuality. It doesn’t take a genius to figure it out. Thoughts and action is what makes a person for what s/he is. Don’t be offended of my statement. You put youself up to it and so you have to be able to take it. I’m just stating fact. You really don’t know what’s morally right and wrong. There is such a thing as UNIVERSAL correctness!
 
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xphan:
It happened to be a very amazing and well done film. If you weren’t so ignorant maybe you would see the film’s true message and not just the homosexual theme. It wasn’t just a gay movie, it was a love story. If I may say so, a more touching love story than a “straight” love story could be.
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Your profile says you are Catholic so i am wondering how you reconcile you statememt that we who find the film repulsvie are ignorant with the following from the Cathecism of the Catholic Church.

***2357 *Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

The fact you find sodomy bewteen two men to be more touching than a man/woman love story is distubing, to say the least.
 
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xphan:
Because it was beautifully made and the Oscar’s will prove that. Yes, i’m homosexual and I won’t ask for forgiveness because it would be admitting that i’m doing something wrong. And falling in love with another guy isn’t wrong in my eyes.
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But it is in the eyes of the Church you belong to. How do you reconcile that?

Ill be praying for you. God can relieve you of your sinful attractions-if only you let him. 20 years ago he helped me overcome my Alchoholism. For 15 years I could not imagine not drinking. I tired to ratiionalize it-believing it was OK becuase it was genetic and God had made me that way. Finally I turned it over to the Lord and he didnt let me down. The same can happen to you.
 
Starsweeper,

You’re wrong to say that the review is glowing. It expresses serious reservations about the movie and it explicitly says that the Church does not condone homosexual behavior. And the review now does give the movie the rating “O.”

Buffalo,

I think your points are more valid and nuanced. I still think you’re a little hard on the review–it’s not the place of a review to rant. I haven’t seen the movie so I don’t feel entitled to an opinion on whether the review’s positive comments were justified. But I can say that you put an overly suspicious spin on some of the review’s statements. I don’t read the review as saying “this is basically a good movie” but rather “this is a morally troubling movie that vividly and sympathetically portrays the plight of real human beings engaged in sinful behavior.”

I do think the review uses a few cowardly euphemisms (such as “hot-button issue”), and your point about the contrast with the Passion is well taken (although one could make a case that Christians should be more concerned about “our own camp” than about external threats). I’m not defending the review altogether.

I’d be interested to know what you think of Christianity Today’s review. It also got a lot of hostile reactions, but I think it did a good job.

Edwin
 
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Contarini:
Starsweeper,

You’re wrong to say that the review is glowing. It expresses serious reservations about the movie and it explicitly says that the Church does not condone homosexual behavior. And the review now does give the movie the rating “O.”

Buffalo,

I think your points are more valid and nuanced. I still think you’re a little hard on the review–it’s not the place of a review to rant. I haven’t seen the movie so I don’t feel entitled to an opinion on whether the review’s positive comments were justified. But I can say that you put an overly suspicious spin on some of the review’s statements. I don’t read the review as saying “this is basically a good movie” but rather “this is a morally troubling movie that vividly and sympathetically portrays the plight of real human beings engaged in sinful behavior.”

I do think the review uses a few cowardly euphemisms (such as “hot-button issue”), and your point about the contrast with the Passion is well taken (although one could make a case that Christians should be more concerned about “our own camp” than about external threats). I’m not defending the review altogether.

I’d be interested to know what you think of Christianity Today’s review. It also got a lot of hostile reactions, but I think it did a good job.

Edwin
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Except I didn’t do the review. I only posted the link for discussion. Please set the record straight so as not to impune my reputation. 🙂 I think I have a rep on this board. 😉
 
Buffalo,

Next time you post material you didn’t write, indicate in the post that it isn’t yours. I suppose I could have deduced that since the link was to a paper it was by someone else. But for all I knew you could be Michael Forrest (I presume Buffalo isn’t your real name?).

Granted, I didn’t think that through. I just saw the text in your post presented as if it were yours, and reacted accordingly. I confess that I didn’t even notice that the article was on the website of a periodical until now. But logically speaking you never said anything to indicate that it wasn’t yours. Sorry to be the pedant here–this is what happens when you get college professors on discussion boards!

Edwin
 
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Contarini:
Buffalo,

Next time you post material you didn’t write, indicate in the post that it isn’t yours. I suppose I could have deduced that since the link was to a paper it was by someone else. But for all I knew you could be Michael Forrest (I presume Buffalo isn’t your real name?).

Granted, I didn’t think that through. I just saw the text in your post presented as if it were yours, and reacted accordingly. I confess that I didn’t even notice that the article was on the website of a periodical until now. But logically speaking you never said anything to indicate that it wasn’t yours. Sorry to be the pedant here–this is what happens when you get college professors on discussion boards!

Edwin
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I just reveived Dorui Keanrs Goodwins Lincoln Book for Christmas-too bad she didnt adhere to your advice…
 
You guys all make good points and have all made me realize that homosexuality is wrong in the eyes of God. However, I can’t be something i’m clearly not. I’ve have girlfriends before and when we kissed I really felt untrue to myself. Kissing a guy felt, right. I’m asking God what I should do because I really want to be faithful follower cause to me believing in him isn’t faith. Its fact.
 
“I can’t be something I’m clearly not”

You’re listening to the “world” and confusing *feelings *with reality, my friend. Faith is an act of the will. As a baptized person you are a Child of God. That is your reality. He is loving you and showering you with His graces, if you will only respond to Him. Everyone has temptations to deal with in this life, and many different kinds of sin. Just remember that having a temptation is not sinful–indulging that temptation is the sin, and there IS a difference! It doesn’t matter what our particular temptations are, our need is to find a way to squelch those temptations I understand that St. Francis dealt with his concupiscence by throwing himself into thorn bushes–I guess that would stop those pesky bad thoughts! As Catholics we have many helps in dealing with our temptations. Confession is amazing. I have found there is something in just naming your sins out loud to another person, and to think that that person is a priest who has been delegated by Jesus to grant us forgiveness blows me away. All we need is to be sorry!

Don’t listen to the secular world–remember that Jesus said that Satan is the god of this world. What you hear in the media can be either the truth or dressed up lies. Don’t be confused–always look to Holy Mother Church for the truth–and the truth WILL set you free!

And when you are tempted to feel that you’re having a rough time, look at Jesus on the cross and tell Him. It’s a good idea to have a good sized crucifix on your wall in a conspicuous spot to remind yourself of what He did for you. He knows how tough you’ve got it. He went through it to show you it can be overcome. Read the Bible and get to Mass as often as you can – and maybe see if there are any thorn bushes handy in case of necessity! 😃
 
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xphan:
You guys all make good points and have all made me realize that homosexuality is wrong in the eyes of God. However, I can’t be something i’m clearly not. I’ve have girlfriends before and when we kissed I really felt untrue to myself. Kissing a guy felt, right. I’m asking God what I should do because I really want to be faithful follower cause to me believing in him isn’t faith. Its fact.
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God does not require you to kiss a girl. He does require you to refrain from kissing a guy.
 
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mommyjo2:
God does not require you to kiss a girl. He does require you to refrain from kissing a guy.
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I didn’t say he did. I was just stating that being with a girl isn’t my thing. I do understand what Jesus has done for me and I always ALWAYS thank him for everything. My solution to solving this “dilemma” is to just not ask the Lord for guidance on the subject and just do my own thing…
 
As a single, heterosexual male, I can say that there is peace to be found in chastity. I need to keep away from impure ideas, pictures, people though. Prayer helps. The rosary helps in times of trial. Chastity brings out my self worth, my dignity; it allows a single person to live with authentic love, I believe. It is a gift. Peace
 
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