Brother-in-Law Pawed Me, and I'M the Bad Guy?!?!

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As some of you already know, I have been happily married to a wonderful, loving man for 10 years.

My problem is his bachelor older brother, “Steve.”

Steve is in his early fifties, morbidly obese, drinks heavily, often behaves in a churlish, abrasive manner, and has never had a girlfriend. Years ago, when my husband brought me home to meet his family, the first thing Steve did was make a bunch of nasty jokes about my hometown (he’s ALWAYS on about how much he hates Big City Folk, when everybody knows I was born in a big city.) Then he hollers about how “You’re too sensitive!”

Steve’s only conversation with me consists of crude put-downs and criticisms, and he has often tried to play cruel pranks on me. For example, the last time we were all staying in my mother-in-law’s house, my husband has had to stop Steve from jumping on me when I was in bed asleep – when he heard that I was dead tired from a long flight, he thought it would be funny to go wake me up. After that I would only visit my in-laws when we were all staying at hotels, so I could sleep behind a safely locked door.

Steve often grabs me from behind when my back is turned, persisting even after my husband and I told him that I don’t like being startled like that. He even kept doing it after my husband took him aside and told him very sternly that he was to stop that immediately. At our last family visit, a combination birthday and graduation party for my teenage niece, Steve “greeted” me with a full-body grab from behind, then literally ran away. No “Hello,” no “How are you?”, nothing – and he did it right in front of my husband and several other family members, including teenage kids! I also saw him grabbing at my sister-in-law, his other brother’s wife, in the same manner later that day as well.

Then on the next day, during my niece’s party, Steve waited until my back was turned and I was engaged in handing out drinks to some of the family, and then put his hand up under my skirt and fondled my thigh.

That was simply the last straw. As soon as I got home I informed Steve and my husband’s family via certified mail letters that I won’t associate with Steve ever again because he has established a clear pattern of abuse and antagonism, and because he sexually harassed me at the last event I attended. I simply do not feel comfortable or safe with a man twice my size who stubbornly refuses to stop grabbing at me, disregarding both my own and my husband’s reprimands. I wrote that since he apparently cannot or will not keep his hands off me, I cannot visit him without knowingly courting scandal and providing a near occasion of sin.

My husband agrees with me and completely supports my decision; he says that he practically has to run Secret Service detail and watch Steve every second to keep him off me, and he’s dead tired of it.

But now my in-laws have decided that I’M the bad guy persecuting poor Steve, because I’m “unforgiving” and won’t give him yet another chance, even though he’s openly targeted me for nasty treatment for over ten years, and his grabby hands are now going to more explicit places – in the middle of a child’s party, no less! What if one of the many teenage kids present saw him do it…?!

Nonetheless, my in-laws appear to want me to cover up for Steve and pretend like nothing happened. My husband has confronted Steve over the phone, and Steve insists that he didn’t mean anything and was just joking when he kept grabbing me and then fondled my leg. He keeps saying: “I only touched her below the knee!” and “I’m sorry for whatever it was that she thinks I did!”

I am now prepared to cut most of my in-laws out of my life entirely – this is all just ridiculous, and I won’t be dragged into a scandal. To me it’s plain as day that the man just gets some bizarre pleasure from violating women’s personal boundaries, and I can’t possibly risk my own reputation by accommodating his wandering hands. But his family seems dead set on denying what happened, and they keep insisting that I just misunderstood.

Some of them are insisting that Steve would NEVER do something like that, and then in the next breath they’ll say that he didn’t mean anything by it. So… which is it? Did he not do it, or did he do it and not mean anything bad by it?

What would you do? I don’t see any way I could ever feel safe with such a person!
 
Wow. Amazing such an oaf gets away with stuff like this. I would wonder what else he does to family members. Really sad that your husband’s family protects him. Honestly, I might be tempted to go to the next family gathering, and when he molests me again, call the police.

Let’s see if they can keep up the denial when charges are filed.

:mad:
 
What would I do? Call the police and file an assault report and ask for a restraining order.

I would definitely NOT be in the same room/house/building with him. And my in laws could take a flying leap.
 
I think you did exactly the right thing. And the fact that your husband supports you is very encouraging. This is a frightening situation, especially as your BIL seems to keep upping the ante. Based on what you said, I would consider him likely to do anything, providing he thought that he would either not get caught by other family members or that he would be believed over you. When people show you who they are, believe them. Frankly, I think his behavior sounds rather inclined toward being a potential rapist. Be careful. And be thankful your husband is on your side.
 
You know, I have always wondered about this - - could the husband just deck the oaf brother if he is around when he encounters the brother assaulting his wife - - fraternally, of course, and out of charity b/c the brother is not getting it via the spoken word?

@OP: of course you are right to withdraw from such a situation for your own protection if the boundaries of common decency will not be respected.
 
You did the right thing. His behavior is unacceptable, and they are unwilling to acknowledge it. Stick to your guns and demand the dignity you deserve.
 
People like your inlaws are how molesters operate with impunity.

People like you are how creeps finally get caught.

Don’t go changing! 😉
 
OK, so Steve is not only feeling you up, he is lying to his mother about it, and she believes him. Your husband, her other son, might ask her whether believing Steve’s account when Steve has been misbehaving–again, which he has been doing since childhood-- is really in Steve’s best interest.

At any rate, your husband is doing what any husband is normally going to do, which is to keep any man who covets or harasses his wife away from her. The truth is, as a member of the family he ought to be concerned that all the vulnerable members of the family in general are being protected as well. He might want to consult with his other brother, the one whose wife has the same problem with “Steve”, since I’m guessing this other brother does not appreciate having to be his wife’s body guard at family events, either. It might be Steve, and not his sisters-in-law, who needs to be asked to stay away from these family gatherings, before he molests one of his teenaged nieces and protests that he was just being “funny”. If the family doesn’t protect the children from a known threat like Steve, and then one day Steve really outdoes himself, the violated child is going to rightly feel that she (or he) has been betrayed by the family at large. If you see it coming an do nothing, when doing something was in your power, you are complicit. I don’t mean legally. I mean morally.

The thing is, Steve may in reality have little ability to exert self-control or act appropriately in social situations. The point is not to make a demon of him, because maybe he doesn’t have the mental capacity to be morally culpable. The point is to keep other people safe when Steve can’t be trusted to be safe himself. If his boundaries are honestly that bad, if he has some mental defect and can’t help himself, then he’s going to have to be kept out of the company of children and polite women. I think that may well be the case.
 
People like your inlaws are how molesters operate with impunity.

People like you are how creeps finally get caught.

Don’t go changing! 😉
I concur. The mentality that the OP’s in-laws have is very strange indeed. I understand wanting to defend a family member, but the history is there. People had to have seen something. There’s no way any of this kind of stuff would happen in either my family or my in-laws’ family. It’s very strange indeed and trying to cover it up is even worse.

If you see the guy again and he so much as touches your waist, I’d recommend a slap to the face.
 
Have you spoken to your sister-in-law? Seems she of all people is understanding of what’s going on.
 
Have you spoken to your sister-in-law? Seems she of all people is understanding of what’s going on.
She may have received the same treatment, however she might be siding with those who (wrongly I might add) see no harm in it.
 
Steve sounds like he has mental problems! It must be an awful predicament to be in, glad your husband is supportive. You did nothing wrong.
 
She may have received the same treatment, however she might be siding with those who (wrongly I might add) see no harm in it.
Sadly, you might be right. But there’s a big difference between once “surprising” someone with a quick grab but apologizing and backing off once the person has expressed displeasure and a consistent pattern of behavior. If this was a one time deal (not the hand on the thigh thing, that’s WEIRD) then I’d say relax. But it’s not.
 
People like your inlaws are how molesters operate with impunity.

People like you are how creeps finally get caught.

Don’t go changing! 😉
Agreed

As I read your post I was thinking how you managed to put up with this behaviour for so long.

Stick to your guns I say!

God Bless
 
Have you spoken to your sister-in-law? Seems she of all people is understanding of what’s going on.
I sent her and her husband a copy of my certified mail letter as well, and she’s emailed me expressing her sympathies. She says that she’s always been on the alert against ol’ Steve as well, and that it’s good to know that she’s not crazy because she thinks he’s just a mean person.

She has a five-year-old daughter as well – and I think she should be VERY careful indeed about letting Grabby Uncle Steve around that innocent child. :mad:
 
OK, so Steve is not only feeling you up, he is lying to his mother about it, and she believes him. Your husband, her other son, might ask her whether believing Steve’s account when Steve has been misbehaving–again, which he has been doing since childhood-- is really in Steve’s best interest.

At any rate, your husband is doing what any husband is normally going to do, which is to keep any man who covets or harasses his wife away from her. The truth is, as a member of the family he ought to be concerned that all the vulnerable members of the family in general are being protected as well. He might want to consult with his other brother, the one whose wife has the same problem with “Steve”, since I’m guessing this other brother does not appreciate having to be his wife’s body guard at family events, either. It might be Steve, and not his sisters-in-law, who needs to be asked to stay away from these family gatherings, before he molests one of his teenaged nieces and protests that he was just being “funny”.** If the family doesn’t protect the children from a known threat like Steve, and then one day Steve really outdoes himself, the violated child is going to rightly feel that she (or he) has been betrayed by the family at large. If you see it coming an do nothing, when doing something was in your power, you are complicit. I don’t mean legally. I mean morally.**

The thing is, Steve may in reality have little ability to exert self-control or act appropriately in social situations. The point is not to make a demon of him, because maybe he doesn’t have the mental capacity to be morally culpable. The point is to keep other people safe when Steve can’t be trusted to be safe himself. If his boundaries are honestly that bad, if he has some mental defect and can’t help himself, then he’s going to have to be kept out of the company of children and polite women. I think that may well be the case.
Yes, ALL of the above (not just the bolded). When habits are formed (groping in this case), are we likely to do less and less or be satisfied with the current degree of habitual action? I know of no such case, do you? No, we are likely to increase the habit and the degree to which we do things, as you, OP, have now noticed In his groping you in more intimate areas and in more inappropriate situations. And this is only what you SEE in PUBLIC…where his actions are most likely to be muted and toned down. I have witnessed the tragedy that can result if this man’s behavior is not sufficiently and properly addressed. You husband is going to have to step up and force the family to make some tough decisions and face harsh realities…in my opinion.

Prayers…
 
There is something decidedly anti-social and possibly sinister in that kind of repeated bahavior. I applaud you for not allowing it to continue.

Steve is using a jolly laugh and innocent “I’m just joking with you” as a mask. Behind that mask…probably not something he’d want anyone in his family to know about him.

Just a guess.
 
Wow…I might be tempted to go to the next family gathering, and when he molests me again, call the police.

Let’s see if they can keep up the denial when charges are filed.

:mad:
You know, I have always wondered about this - - could the husband just deck the oaf brother if he is around when he encounters the brother assaulting his wife - - fraternally, of course, and out of charity b/c the brother is not getting it via the spoken word?

@OP: of course you are right to withdraw from such a situation for your own protection if the boundaries of common decency will not be respected.
both good. I’d understand the husband’s temptation to actually deck the guy, but of course, only in theory; not good, won’t solve anything ultimately. Hence, police involvement
 
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