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I noticed that the priests (Franciscans) on EWTN are called Father, like Father Mark, Father Anthony, Father Benedict Groeschel. Is there some reason that they would be called Father instead of Brother? Just curious.
By the way, thank you for your posts. I have learned so much. I have so much more yet to learn!

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In addition to what JR said, even outside of EWTN you will hear priests that are in religious orders called Father. But it is usually either by people outside the order or when people inside the order are talking to people outside the order. It can be confusing to people that don’t “hang out” with the order if a brother would say to you, “Brother Francis will now hear your confession.” So it is easier and clearer to say “Father Francis will now hear your confession.” But when they are talking among themselves they use the term Brother.

I know several Franciscan priests the respond with a smile whenever you call them Brother instead of Father, because they prefer the term Brother.

I heard a Episcopal bishop giving a talk on his experience staying at a Catholic Franciscan friary and he loved the fact that during his entire stay he was called brother instead of being calling bishop and that he had the same exact responsabilities that anyone else in the friary had.
 
You got that perfectly correct, Easter Joy. There are religious communities who are canonically, congregations and orders of brothers. Therefore, even if a member is a deacon or a priest, the title Brother overrides the title Father. Such is the case in my community. The gift and call of Holy Orders is a vocation within the vocation to the consecrated life as a religious brother, for some men. For others, it is a call that stands alone, such as diocesan priests. For others the call to a consecrated life without being ordained is a stand alone call.

But if a man is called to be a brother AND a priest. his title is Brother, because that’s the way he lives. Priesthood is his ministry, not his way of life. There is the difference between a diocesan priest and a brother who is a priest.

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
In our area, the Benedictines who are priests are called Father, but perhaps only by the laity and not by the other brothers. I don’t know. OTOH, they run a seminary (and used to also run a minor seminary) and do help out with priests who go out and say Mass at the local parishes. The laity know who can hear confessions and who can’t, and once it is going, I cannot imagine there was any correcting that local usage. Likewise, the Dominicans I know use Brother only for those who aren’t priests. Since Thomas Merton is also sometimes referred to as Father Thomas Merton, and I never knew him to be referred to as Brother Thomas Merton, even though he was obviously a Trappist monk, I just thought that using Father for the brothers who were ordained priests was general for all religious congregations.

Thanks for the clarification! I always learn something from you!
 
This is all very informative.

Can a man or woman in a secular order adopt the title of “brother” or “sister”? Such as with members of the SFO. I have seen some use the title and others not use it.

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What is a Brother? Is a Brother a priest? A deacon? If a priest, why not call them a Father? If not a priest, why would one devote themselves to a religious life but not take the step to priesthood?

Thank you in advance for your replies.
to add to the other replies…it is also a term for all Christians…much loved in the early Church…(and it still applies!!!)

that is not that they were addressed as brother…but were called and are brothers (in the sense of the brethern has been used in the not so distant past)…see the letters of Paul …and this fine work:

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The posts here elucidating the difference between the religious and clerical state have been most helpful, I believe, in helping the OP and others discern that these are two different states of life, though some men may be called to both.

I have found, when speaking with average “in the pew” Catholics, that some do not understand this distinction. I have even encountered some who believe that nuns receive the sacrament of ordination, because they equate the religious life with the clerical life; they simply believe that the two are just different forms of the sacrament. This thread goes a long way toward clarifying that and other misconceptions.
 
There are monastic orders (e.g. Benedictines); service orders (e.g. Franciscans - although not exclusively so) and some teaching orders such as the Brothers of the Sacred Heart of which I am most familiar with since I was taught by them from 8th to 12th grade and many of the same brothers who taught me 40 years ago are still teaching to this day as well as one of my classmates who became a brother. There are a few Brothers of the Sacred Heart who are also priests as well although as Brother JR points out, they still go by the same name of Brother. Each order of Brothers or Sisters for that matter have their own charism.

The Brothers of the Sacred Heart originated in France and came to French speaking Canada and , of course, French Louisiana to teach us heathens :D. They did so and I am a proud alumnus of their first school in New Orleans - a member of the one hundreth and final graduation class. But fear not, they just consolidated their two high schools into one which, despite flooding during Katrina, carries on.
 
In some religious communities, all the members, even those in priest’s or deacon’s orders, are called “brother,” but that depends on the use of the community.
 
In some religious communities, all the members, even those in priest’s or deacon’s orders, are called “brother,” but that depends on the use of the community.
What has often happened in the Western Church is that some monastic and mendicant orders were founded as lay orders, not clerical. For example, the Franciscans were founded a lay order. This is not to be confused with a secular order. They are still canonically religious.

A lay order is an order where none of the members are ordained priests or where the ordination to the diaconate or priesthood is an exception, not the rule. This was the case with the Franciscan family. When Francis founded the order it was canonically lay religious, meaning that it is an order of religious men who are not ordained, though there were priests in it from the beginning and Francis was ordained a deacon 14 years after he founded his order, but they had to forfeit their rank and title if they joined the order. They came to be known as Brother N.

When they migrated to England, the English translated the word Frater to Friar, this caught on very quickly and spread through most of western Europe, except Italy where they continued to use Fratello. When the friars or brothers first came to the Untied States the laity confused them with Clerks Regular, such as Jesuits and began to call them Father.

Secular priests or what we call diocesan priests were always called Mr, never Father. That was another confusion. Americans confused them with the Clerks Regular, clerical religious that are neither monks nor mendicants. If you remember, St. John Bosco is still called Don Bosco, which translates into English as Mr. Bosco and St. John Vianney was Misseur (sp?), so was St. Vicent de Paul.

Among Franciscans the use of the title Father is not common within the community. We use either Friar or Brother for everyone. The idea is to obscure all distinction between friars who are clerical and the non clerical, also known as the clerics and the lay brothers. If I’m correct, the Dominicans, Augustinians and Carmelites also use Friar in Europe and other places outside the USA.

The confusion comes because Friar is abbreviated Fr. as is Father. Sometimes you’ll see Fra. for Frater.

The goal of the mendicants was always to have one class of religious, not two. We all make the same vows and have the same rights and obligations. You can have a house full of ordained men governed by a non-ordained friar. Even though the friar is not ordained, he is the Major Superior and can grant faculties to his subordinates. In the new code of canon law this was abrogated beginning in 1983, but does not apply to those orders who have had the custom for hundreds of years. It only applies to new communities where at least one superior must be a priest to grant faculties. It can be either the Major Superior or his Vicar. But it is not applicable to the ancient orders. Any Major Superior can grant faculties in the ancient orders.

Translating from Friar to Father is an American thing. We do that often. We (Franciscans) always chuckle when the Holy Father’s theologian and preacher, Fra. Reinieri, is presented on EWTN, because they translate from Italian, Fratello to Father. That’s an incorrect translation. It should be Brother or Friar, because he’s a Capuchin-Franciscan Friar.

In clerical communities such as Clerks Regular: Jesuits, Salesians, Redemptorists and Passionists there were two classes of religious: Fathers and Coadjutor Brothers or simply Lay Brothers. They make the same vows, but do not have the same rights.

Benedictines usually use Brother. Again, the laity confuses it and calls them Father. Unless you belong to a community where there are many friars, you can easily get confused.

When I visited Franciscan University, I noticed that the students speak about the Friars, not the Fathers and Brothers. That’s because they are inmersed in the Franciscan culture while they’re there.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
There are monastic orders (e.g. Benedictines); **service orders **(e.g. Franciscans - .
I believe that you meant to say, Mendicant Orders. Not all mendicant orders do apostolic work. Therefore, we are not all engaged in external ministry, even though we are mendicants. In the mendicant orders there are friars that are hermits, especially among the Franciscans and Carmelites.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Sisters are not called to the priesthood yet they are called to Religious life. The same with some men even some saints. St. Francis of Assisi never became a priest.
St. Francis of Assisi was ordained a Deacon.
 
The religious “brother” does not receive the sacrament of Holy Orders.

By the way, Vivat Jesus, my “brother”!!:cool:
The good Pope John XXIII was also a Third Order Franciscan.

I have been asked at least a dozen times if I would at least consider being ordained as a Deacon. After much thought, I believe I can do what God wants from me much better right where I am.
 
St. Francis of Assisi was ordained a Deacon.
I have heard from my Conventual Franciscan Friar friends at the theologate that this is now in question. Some scholars now believe that St Francis received no Holy Orders.
 
I have heard from my Conventual Franciscan Friar friends at the theologate that this is now in question. Some scholars now believe that St Francis received no Holy Orders.
I’ve not heard that and I believe that it is is in Thomas of Celano’s work on Francis’ life.

It sort of makes sense since he could not have read the Gospel at Holy Mass if he were not a Deacon, and preaching may have also been restricted at least at the beginning of his ministry.
 
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