Brown scapular

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Della said:
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Well, I was in the Order for several years and was the director of my community. I guess I picked up a few things along the way. 😉
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Hi Della: I also want to thank you for your explanation, though I am in the OCDS you explained it better I could.
 
spina1953 said:
Hi Della: I also want to thank you for your explanation, though I am in the OCDS you explained it better I could.
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Thank you for your kind words. 🙂 I simply wanted to pass along some solid information that people can use to their benefit.

Oftentimes people can get overly wrapped up in the do’s and don’ts of a particular devotion. The thing to remember is that all devotions are simply meant to be helps to faith. If they become burdens they are no longer serving that function. We should never be so obsessed about them that we lose sight of our goal–union with God.
 
Della said:
Thank you for your kind words. 🙂 I simply wanted to pass along some solid information that people can use to their benefit.

Oftentimes people can get overly wrapped up in the do’s and don’ts of a particular devotion. The thing to remember is that all devotions are simply meant to be helps to faith. If they become burdens they are no longer serving that function. We should never be so obsessed about them that we lose sight of our goal–union with God.
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Hi Della: I could not agree with you more! I think that is also true of lay religious orders when it becomes more like a garden party or one takes the order so seriously that they forget the purpose and intent of what an religious lay is all about which is to strengthen ones Catholic faith. peace and God bless. PS, You are most welcome but you deserved the kindness.
 
Della said:
Oftentimes people can get overly wrapped up in the do’s and don’ts of a particular devotion. The thing to remember is that all devotions are simply meant to be helps to faith. If they become burdens they are no longer serving that function. We should never be so obsessed about them that we lose sight of our goal–union with God.
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spina1953 said:
Hi Della: I could not agree with you more! I think that is also true of lay religious orders when it becomes more like a garden party or one takes the order so seriously that they forget the purpose and intent of what an religious lay is all about which is to strengthen ones Catholic faith. peace and God bless. PS, You are most welcome but you deserved the kindness.
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Thank you both for your wise words. I’m new on the journey to Carmel. My love and enthusiasm for Carmelite Spirituality outpaces my common sense at times. :o

Della, you gave me goose bumps. :eek: Yesterday, I picked up the book “Union With God-Letters of Spiritual Direction by Blessed Columba Marmion”, from our Parish library.
 
spina1953 said:
Hi josh: Yes, I do wear the Brown Scapular, I also wear the large one at my OCDS community.
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👍

I am just wondering, because camkutz asked about the promise *‘whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire’ * was done away with, which Della said ‘Yes’ and I don’t believe that at all.
camkutz said:
Oh wow, I didn’t know the Sabbatine Privilege was done away with?! The general promise being ‘whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire?’ :eek:
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I am unsure whether that’s the Sabbatine Privilege or not, but as for ‘whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire’ I don’t believe this is done away with at all.

“Take this Scapular, it shall be a Sign of Salvation, a Protection in Danger and a Pledge of Peace. Whosoever dies wearing this Scapular shall not suffer eternal fire.” - Promise of Our Lady made July 16, 1251 to Saint Simon Stock

Pope Benedict XV, addressing seminarians in Rome:
“Let all of you have a common language and a common armor: The language, the sentences of the Gospel - the common armor, the Brown Scapular of the Virgin of Carmel which you ought to wear and which enjoys the singular privilege and protection after death.”

“Modern Heretics make a mockery of wearing the Scapular. They decry it as so much trifling nonsense.” - St. Alphonsus Ligouri

God Bless 🙂

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
josh987654321 said:
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I am just wondering, because camkutz asked about the promise *‘whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire’ * was done away with, which Della said ‘Yes’ and I don’t believe that at all.

I am unsure whether that’s the Sabbatine Privilege or not, but as for ‘whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire’ I don’t believe this is done away with at all.

"Take this Scapular, it shall be a Sign of Salvation, a Protection in Danger and a Pledge of Peace. Whosoever dies wearing this Scapular shall not suffer eternal fire." - Promise of Our Lady made July 16, 1251 to Saint Simon Stock

Pope Benedict XV, addressing seminarians in Rome:
"Let all of you have a common language and a common armor: The language, the sentences of the Gospel - the common armor, the Brown Scapular of the Virgin of Carmel which you ought to wear and which enjoys the singular privilege and protection after death."

“Modern Heretics make a mockery of wearing the Scapular. They decry it as so much trifling nonsense.” - St. Alphonsus Ligouri

God Bless 🙂

Thank you for reading
Josh
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Hi Josh,

This is what Della posted:
Della said:
The Sabbatine Privilege referred to Mary releasing souls from purgatory the first Saturday after their death. That is what the Church rejected, not the promise of eternal life to those who wear the scapular with the understanding that they wear it as a sign and reminder to keep their baptismal vows. 🙂
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Hi Josh: In answer to your post #29 First, I would like to say that the Brown Scapular is a Sacramental and so does not confer the grace of the Holy Spirit in the way that the sacraments do, but by the Church’s prayer they prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it.
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              The Carmelite Orders explicitly  state in their official catechetical materials that they do not promulgate the Sabbatine Privilege and are one with official Church teachings on the matter. The Sabbatine privilege came from a private revelation to St. Simon Stock, so one can believe in it or not as it does not add nor take away from what the Church teaches. 

              I think one needs to remember that in eternity there is no time as it does not exist, but only in the material world. So we really would not know if one were on purgatory if they would get out on a Saturday. I will say that by a special intercession and petition of our Blessed Mother may or may not be accepted by Christ her Son as it is His will and not hers that will be done.

             Wearing the Brown Scapular means to be open to God, and His will, shown to us in the events in our lives., to listen to the Word of God in the Bible and in life, to believe in it and to put into practice it demands; to pray at all times, as a way of discovering the presence of God in all that is happening around us, to be involved with people, being attentive to their needs. The Brown Scapular stands for commitment to follow Jesus, like Mary the perfect model of all of the disciples of Christ and it is an expression of our belief that we will meet God in eternal life, aided by the intercession and prayer of Mary. Hope that helps some peace and God bless.
 
asia53 said:
Hi Josh,

This is what Della posted:
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I apologise, I missed that bit, thank you asia53 🙂
spina1953 said:
Hi Josh: In answer to your post #29 First, I would like to say that the Brown Scapular is a Sacramental and so does not confer the grace of the Holy Spirit in the way that the sacraments do, but by the Church’s prayer they prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it.
Code: 
              The Carmelite Orders explicitly  state in their official catechetical materials that they do not promulgate the Sabbatine Privilege and are one with official Church teachings on the matter. The Sabbatine privilege came from a private revelation to St. Simon Stock, so one can believe in it or not as it does not add nor take away from what the Church teaches. 

              I think one needs to remember that in eternity there is no time as it does not exist, but only in the material world. So we really would not know if one were on purgatory if they would get out on a Saturday. I will say that by a special intercession and petition of our Blessed Mother may or may not be accepted by Christ her Son as it is His will and not hers that will be done.

             Wearing the Brown Scapular means to be open to God, and His will, shown to us in the events in our lives., to listen to the Word of God in the Bible and in life, to believe in it and to put into practice it demands; to pray at all times, as a way of discovering the presence of God in all that is happening around us, to be involved with people, being attentive to their needs. The Brown Scapular stands for commitment to follow Jesus, like Mary the perfect model of all of the disciples of Christ and it is an expression of our belief that we will meet God in eternal life, aided by the intercession and prayer of Mary. Hope that helps some peace and God bless.
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Thank you spina1953 🙂

I was just a little confused regarding the ‘removal’ so to speak of certain aspects. I haven’t done a great deal of research on the scapular as yet, however as for me, I see it as taking St. Simon Stock’s revelation in it’s entirety or not at all.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
josh987654321 said:
I apologise, I missed that bit, thank you asia53 🙂

I was just a little confused regarding the ‘removal’ so to speak of certain aspects. I haven’t done a great deal of research on the scapular as yet, however as for me, I see it as taking St. Simon Stock’s revelation in it’s entirety or not at all.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
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No problem, Josh, I’m glad I could help.

If you would allow me to jump in once more.

There is a catechesis written by Father Sam Anthony Morello, OCD and Father Patrick McMahon, O.Carm. I have read this is the official position of Carmelites on the Brown Scapular.

Your questions will be answered in the catechesis. It’s lengthy, but well worth reading.

Carmelite Catechesis

God bless you.
 
josh987654321 said:
I apologise, I missed that bit, thank you asia53 🙂

Thank you spina1953 🙂

I was just a little confused regarding the ‘removal’ so to speak of certain aspects. I haven’t done a great deal of research on the scapular as yet, however as for me, I see it as taking St. Simon Stock’s revelation in it’s entirety or not at all.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
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Hi josh: You can take the Scapular off at any time, while taking s bath or shower, at night when sleeping etc. but you can also wear it all the time that is up to the needs of the person. Hope that helps. peace and God bless. You are also very welcome!
 
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