Brushed off by my Bishop

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After the MP was issued, I wrote by Bishop to ask for a Tridentine Mass in our Diocese. I didn’t ask his approval, since that is not needed, but rather that he aid me in my quest to find a priest in my Diocese who can say one.

His answer was very negative. He replied that he believed that language didn’t matter, and that it is imperative that people are able to understand the mass. He also reminded me that the Novus Ordo is the regular form of the mass, and that the college of Bishops would meet to “discuss” the meaning of the MP, and further clarify it.

So, no tridentine mass for me, other than the one eight hours away in another Diocese!

I’m just foaming at the mouth with anger right now–I wonder if he even read the Motu Proprio?
 
Sorry to hear that. We received a similar, but less harsh, response from the bishop in this diocese. Have you tried calling priests and seeing if anyone around is capable of giving the mass? Retired priests are good candidates, even if the bishop isn’t a fan.
 
Pious_Mat said:
After the MP was issued, I wrote by Bishop to ask for a Tridentine Mass in our Diocese. I didn’t ask his approval, since that is not needed, but rather that he aid me in my quest to find a priest in my Diocese who can say one.

His answer was very negative. He replied that he believed that language didn’t matter, and that it is imperative that people are able to understand the mass. He also reminded me that the Novus Ordo is the regular form of the mass, and that the college of Bishops would meet to “discuss” the meaning of the MP, and further clarify it.

So, no tridentine mass for me, other than the one eight hours away in another Diocese!

I’m just foaming at the mouth with anger right now–I wonder if he even read the Motu Proprio?
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Contact the Ecclesia Dei Commission --and send them your bishops response.
 
Pious_Mat said:
After the MP was issued, I wrote by Bishop to ask for a Tridentine Mass in our Diocese. I didn’t ask his approval, since that is not needed, but rather that he aid me in my quest to find a priest in my Diocese who can say one.

His answer was very negative. He replied that he believed that language didn’t matter, and that it is imperative that people are able to understand the mass. He also reminded me that the Novus Ordo is the regular form of the mass, and that the college of Bishops would meet to “discuss” the meaning of the MP, and further clarify it.

So, no tridentine mass for me, other than the one eight hours away in another Diocese!

I’m just foaming at the mouth with anger right now–I wonder if he even read the Motu Proprio?
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Your best bet is to avoid the bishop and look for a willing priest. The bishop’s stand on the matter is largely irrelevant. Here is a site that helps put people in touch with willing priests and other like-minded faithful in their region. I don’t know how effective it is, but it’s a start:

lumengentleman.com/findcontacts.asp
 
I agree with the other posters, rather than start a war with your Bishop it is better to just let him be.

Find a good priest willing to help out and see what happens. If you go head to head with the Bishop it is likely to turn negative and since what you are asking for is a good thing it is better not to taint it with an arguement. See how you can support the positive addition of a Mass locally and charitably promote it.

(are you in Southern California?)

God Bless
Scylla
 
Scotty_PGH said:
Your best bet is to avoid the bishop and look for a willing priest. The bishop’s stand on the matter is largely irrelevant.
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I started a thread on the “Apologetics” board in response to this statement. It’s called “Irrelevant bishops?”

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
I started a thread on the “Apologetics” board in response to this statement. It’s called “Irrelevant bishops?”

Edwin
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Too bad you weren’t honest enough to provide the correct context for the one sentence you quoted. Then again, you are protestant, yes?

I won’t bother to accuse you of intellectual dishonesty, but I will find it difficult to take your style of discussion too seriously.
 
Pious_Mat said:
His answer was very negative. He replied that he believed that language didn’t matter, and that it is imperative that people are able to understand the mass.
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So which is it…does language not matter, or is it important that people have the Mass in the common language? Methinks your Bishop is confused…
 
Pious_Mat said:
After the MP was issued, I wrote by Bishop to ask for a Tridentine Mass in our Diocese. I didn’t ask his approval, since that is not needed, but rather that he aid me in my quest to find a priest in my Diocese who can say one.

His answer was very negative.

So, no tridentine mass for me, other than the one eight hours away in another Diocese!
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This might be a very hard thing to do, but my advice would be to simply be patient.

And while you are being patient, you could network with some priests and feel out what direction the Diocese will be taking on the issue. For instance, I know of 2-3 priests in my Diocese that are being trained or having their Tridentine skills refreshed so that they can offer that Mass.
 
Calm down…there is a solution. You can watch the TLM here…

latinmass-ctm.org/mass/online.htm

It updates daily and if you don’t want to see it on that tiny screen, just download it daily and delete them when finished.

Just don’t forget to go to your desired Catholic Church for your Sunday obligation and Holy Communion.
 
Contarini said:
I started a thread on the “Apologetics” board in response to this statement. It’s called “Irrelevant bishops?”

Edwin
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So apparently one of these censors have deleted my original reply to you. Let me restate that I was not impressed by the way you ripped one sentence out of this thread and presented it out of context. That was a very unsophisticated tactic.
 
I was wandering if we can have masses in Spanish, why not Latin. If you can get both of them going nobody will ever understand what’s being said. I like the language of our country which is English…
 
Walking_Home said:
Contact the Ecclesia Dei Commission --and send them your bishops response.
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There is nothing to contact the commission about, as of yet; the bishop has not stopped any priest from saying the Mass privately, nor by his response has he stopped any “stable group” from requesting that they have a public EF Mass.
 
scylla said:
I agree with the other posters, rather than start a war with your Bishop it is better to just let him be.

Find a good priest willing to help out and see what happens.
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I don’t know about this advice. The priests serve at the pleasure of their bishop. Of course, I believe, the bishop serves at the pleasure of the Pope.
 
  1. Bringing Together Priests and Faithful – Summorum Pontificum Contact Database
    lumengentleman.com/motucontacts.asp?ctry=USA
  2. Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos on “Summorum Pontificum”
    09/13/2007, “If there is a conflict, because humanly speaking two groups can enter into conflict, the authority of the bishop – as written in the “motu proprio” – must intervene to avoid it, but without canceling the right that the Pope gave to the entire Church.” (copied, last paragraph)
    zenit.org/article-20492?l=english
  3. …] citation of His Holiness’ Summorum Pontificum:
    Art. 5, § 1. In parishes, where there is continuously present a group of the faithful attached to the previous liturgical tradition, let the pastor willingly receive their petitions that Mass be celebrated according to the Rite of the Missale Romanum issued in 1962. Let him see to it that the good of these faithful be harmoniously brought into accord with the ordinary pastoral care of the parish, under the governance of the Bishop according to canon 392, by avoiding discord and by fostering the unity of the whole Church. (copied)
    wdtprs.com/blog/2007/08/people-ask-for-older-mass-pastor-says-no-bulletin-comments-against-the-older-form-of-mass/
  4. Sample letters for requesting the Extraordinary Form of the Holy Mass
Requesting the Extraordinary Form of the Holy Mass: Three Sample Letters

lumengentleman.com/content.asp?id=361

Suggestions and sample letter for requesting the traditional Latin Mass following the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum

unavoce.org/articles/2007/SP_Advice.html
 
One thing that makes matters worse is that my Bishop is an incurable liberal, and, to top it off, he’s only sixty years old, which means we’ve got him for another fifteen years at least.

One thing that may work to my advantage is that my Bishop is never around. He says mass publicly only twice a year, if we’re lucky, and even his priests go weeks at a time without seeing him. This is strange, since our Diocese isn’t geographically very large, and the priest shortage hasn’t hit us as hard as other Diocese across the world–not that we have any young priests, only plenty of older ones, which may also work to my advantage.

The one thing I just can’t understand is how they feel they can just overlook the clause in the MP that says the Bishop must provide a mass for a Latin mass community. How do they justify themselves?

Also, I’m not sure about how to go about finding traditional books and vestments at a reasonable price by myself.
 
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