Buddhism and Hegel

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Not if he existed in time, but God does not exist in time. Nor can time limit God, since he is eternally present. And he can act and do as he wants and yet, of course, always knows what he will do. God is utterly removed from cause and effect. He is not just a greater version of a man.

This is really not that difficult. What is incredible is to imagine the God of who knows how many kinds of universes, of who knows what unfathomable depths, loves you and me.

Although I haven’t read anything about the Buddhist sect that encourages intellectualism, here is Thich Hanh in “Being Place”: “In Buddhism, knowledge is regarded as an obstacle to understanding, like a block of ice that obstructs water from flowing”. Here is another quote from yet another book I have by Hanh: “Buddhists…do not engage in excessive intellectual or analytical scrutiny”.

This is your idea of intellectual debate, yet one more morbid Buddhist statement on the joys of dying and finally being interconnected with worms!!! Yikes, rossum. Whoever the person was who penned those jolly lines, get them some antidepressants.

But apparently you have. So perhaps you can offer us all a convincing explanation for who or what decides who gets to be a worm and who gets to be a monk.
I think you are arguing with a wall in trying to ask for a mechanism to explain reincarnation. Rossum could likewise ask us for a mechanism on how an spiritual God can create matter. Let’s be fair and not get bogged down in such pointless typing
 
God has no limits and does not exist in time. Yet God always knew the second person of the trinity would come to earth and die for us. God is not changed because he always knew and always was Christ…and yes, he can do this because because God is not bound by time. God is not a white haired old man, he is not merely greater than you or me or the total of humanity.

The problem that you have, rossum, is that you believe in Buddhism, which does not revel in logic, and regards intellectual debate as pointless. This is the opposite of Catholicism.

While for millennia after millennia Buddhism has had no explanation for who or what or how reincarnation works, the Catholic church argued our minds were given to us so we could use them to reason our way to God.

God bless you and flood you with light and miracles, Annem
It is helpful to remember the Nicene Creed and that the Son and the Holy Spirit eternally exist. This is inexpressibly true before the historical Jesus walked the earth. What then do we truly know? On what basis would one conclude that Christ’s earthly incarnation as Jesus, in a certain time and place on the earth, is the totality of eternity?

‘Buddhism’ is itself a word. So is ‘Catholism’. Neither word could adequately expresses what is ineffable. It seems to me that genuine spirituality transcends both ideas. Do we really suppose Jesus, who the Church teaches is eternally God as Christ, was a Catholic when the word was not yet even in existence?

Jesus is and is not walking the earth in the present moment as surely as the sound of one hand clapping.
 
What is karma?
Karma is half of karma-phala, that is action-result. Our good or bad actions have results:

Mind precedes all conditions,
mind is their chief, they are mind-made.
If you speak or act with an evil mind then suffering will follow you,
as the wheel follows the draught ox.

Mind precedes all conditions,
mind is their chief, they are mind-made.
If you speak or act with a pure mind then happiness will follow you,
as a shadow that never leaves.

– Dhammapada 1:1-2

The English “karma” summarises the system in a single word. Where the result of an action is not experienced in our current life, then it is carried over into subsequent lives.
Are you conscious of its presence from a past incarnation?
You can be, but you have to be enlightened to see the specifics. For a more general, less specific, view of your past lives follow the instructions in Chapter Thirteen of the Visuddhimagga.
Can you draw knowledge from a past incarnation to assist you?
Yes, once you have remembered that past life. That does take effort.

rossum
 
Thomas White ‘Buddhism’ is itself a word. So is ‘Catholism’.
This is almost an exact quote from the Thich Nhat Hanh. In the same book, he wrote that discussing whether or not there is a God is wrong; it shows a lack of 'insight". I am bewildered that you claim to be a Catholic while apparently finding Catholicism merely another notion.
It seems to me that genuine spirituality transcends both ideas.
Sorry, but this statement appears to flat out reject the truth of God and the Catholic church. Perhaps you mistated?

God bless Annem
 
thnkandmull I think you are arguing with a wall in trying to ask for a mechanism to explain reincarnation
Without a mechanism to explain reincarnation, the entire of Buddhism falls into a hole, dead as the dodo. And whether or not this changes rossum, at least it provides knowledge of the flaws inherent in Buddhism for other Catholics on this Catholic forum.

He needs to be answered, don’t you think?

God bless Annem
 
rossum Reincarnation … is an effect which arises from previous causes.
But if all is illusion, how can an illusion have an effect?

Buddhism says everything is impermanent and changing. All that I see and touch, and all that is me, is but an illusion. But how do Buddhists know these things if everything is an illusion? And what is it that is an illusion? If the chair is not a chair but an illusion of a chair how do we even know what a chair is? Somewhere, there must have been an original chair. Which was not an illusion.

Which proves Buddhism is wrong.

Or don’t you agree?

God bless Annem
 
Without a mechanism to explain reincarnation, the entire of Buddhism falls into a hole, dead as the dodo. And whether or not this changes rossum, at least it provides knowledge of the flaws inherent in Buddhism for other Catholics on this Catholic forum.

He needs to be answered, don’t you think?

God bless Annem
First read The Tibetan Book of the Dead..
 
This is almost an exact quote from the Thich Nhat Hanh. In the same book, he wrote that discussing whether or not there is a God is wrong; it shows a lack of 'insight". I am bewildered that you claim to be a Catholic while apparently finding Catholicism merely another notion.

Sorry, but this statement appears to flat out reject the truth of God and the Catholic church. Perhaps you mistated?

God bless Annem
I am not bewildered by your judgment. I do not wish to offend. With all due respect, the word ‘God’ is also a concept. Do you know the Catholic Church has prohibited even mentioning the Hebrew rendering for the word ‘God’ out of respect to Jewish tradition?
 
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 Thomas White    First read The Tibetan Book of the Dead..
The Tibetan Book of the Dead’s reincarnation is as opposed to Catholicism as Richard Dawkins. You cannot be Catholic and believe in reincarnation.

What on earth attracted you to this, and why are you still pronouncing yourself Catholic when, apparently, you are not Catholic.

God bless you and flood you with light and miracles, Annem
 
The Tibetan Book of the Dead’s reincarnation is as opposed to Catholicism as Richard Dawkins. You cannot be Catholic and believe in reincarnation.

What on earth attracted you to this, and why are you still pronouncing yourself Catholic when, apparently, you are not Catholic.

God bless you and flood you with light and miracles, Annem
No offense intended, but that is laughable. Who said I believe in reincarnation? I was only providing a reference to a book that does attempt an explanation. So, I have a question: Why is it you appear so quick to judge others? I am certain you could not have understood the comment.
 
Thomas White No offense intended, but that is laughable. Who said I believe in reincarnation? I was only providing a reference to a book that does attempt an explanation. So, I have a question: Why is it you appear so quick to judge others? I am certain you could not have understood the comment.
Yes, I clearly did not understand the statement, jumped to a quick and incorrect conclusion, and must abjectly beg your pardon,

God bless, Annem
 
But if all is illusion, how can an illusion have an effect?
All is not an illusion. The illusion is our mistaken idea of reality inside our heads. Our brains build models of the external world, based on (name removed by moderator)ut from our senses. Our senses are imperfect, as are our brains, and so our models are also imperfect. Those internal models are not the external reality. The illusion is to mistake the internal model for the external reality. They are different.

Our senses can be fooled into thinking that there is water in a mirage. There is no water there is reality, but our internal model does have water. Our internal models are imperfect and do not exactly match external reality.
Buddhism says everything is impermanent and changing.
Correct. You should add soulless to that list of the Three Marks.
All that I see and touch, and all that is me, is but an illusion.
No. It is impermanent, changing and does not have a soul. The illusion is to think that some things are permanent, to think that some things are unchanging and to think that some things have a soul.
But how do Buddhists know these things if everything is an illusion?
The external world is not an illusion. The illusion is to think that we can perfectly know that external world by using a set of imperfect senses.
Which proves Buddhism is wrong.
Which shows that your idea of Buddhism is wrong.

rossum
 
I don’t believe anyone remembers past lives, else it would be the only thing we ever hear people speak about.
The instructions in the Visuddhimagga require the ability to attain the Fourth Jhana (an advanced meditative state); that will take a monk about four or five years training to reach, longer for a lay person. It is hard work to remember, and it is a side-track, not on the main path to enlightenment. If you are meditating at the level of the Fourth Jhana, then you generally have better things to do than follow a side-track.

rossum
 
The instructions in the Visuddhimagga require the ability to attain the Fourth Jhana (an advanced meditative state); that will take a monk about four or five years training to reach, longer for a lay person. It is hard work to remember, and it is a side-track, not on the main path to enlightenment. If you are meditating at the level of the Fourth Jhana, then you generally have better things to do than follow a side-track.

rossum
I don’t see the benefit of reincarnation if I cannot remember my past lives and learn from them. How do I progress if I have no memory of what I did wrong last time. I don’t want to repeat the same mistake.

And how do animals or other creatures manage the meditation aspect?
 
I don’t see the benefit of reincarnation if I cannot remember my past lives and learn from them.
The benefit is that you know your actions will have results. You cannot avoid those results, good or bad. There is no God to forgive you and you cannot escape by death – the results are unavoidable. That makes you consider very carefully before acting, which is a good thing. Enough results happen in our current life to learn well, if we are paying attention.
How do I progress if I have no memory of what I did wrong last time. I don’t want to repeat the same mistake.
Pay attention to your current life, and study hard.
And how do animals or other creatures manage the meditation aspect?
Pass. I cannot remember my lives as an animal. Certainly, enlightenment is difficult for animals.

rossum
 
Without a mechanism to explain reincarnation, the entire of Buddhism falls into a hole, dead as the dodo. And whether or not this changes rossum, at least it provides knowledge of the flaws inherent in Buddhism for other Catholics on this Catholic forum.

He needs to be answered, don’t you think?

God bless Annem
What do you mean by mechanism?? What mechanism makes a soul influence the body?? Either question is not something the mind has any answer too, but neither are they important questions
 
rossum All is not an illusion. The illusion is our mistaken idea of reality inside our heads.
Then where is the reality of a chair, if my idea of a chair is an illusion?

We know things by using our reason. Buddhists say nothing is knowable because you exclude too much when you trap the chair into being merely a chair. Yes, we exclude the chair from being a fish. Because a fish is not a chair. Buddhists reject logic. They throw away or undermine our ability to think and reason.

Is my ability to reason a trap? Was my mind given to me so I could empty it completely of thought? Why am I better off extinguishing all my emotions? What is better about being feelingless in the face of suffering? Why have I achieved a higher level because I have no emotions? A brick has no emotions.

Why am I better off for rejecting reality?

God bless Annem
 
thinkandmull What do you mean by mechanism?? What mechanism makes a soul influence the body?? Either question is not something the mind has any answer too, but neither are they important questions
Hi. About the word mechanism: I meant, what the heck is it that decides whether a worm becomes a dog or a Dalit peasant is reincarnated as a rajah? Who, or what force, makes the decision?
It might be possible to imagine a super computer so vast it can decide the fate of each and every worm, of each and every cow, and of each and every human being that has been born.
But that is not what rossum is arguing. Instead, he believes that reincarnation is simply part of the universe, a kind of force in itself, and that we are condemned to live again as a starving African due to vague and unspecified rules known only to the …whatever…that decides reincarnation. But whatever it is, it is not a god. Of that he is clear.

Have I answered your question?

Anyway, God bless, Annem
 
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