Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity fitting together?

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After all Pope John Paul II went into a Mosque in 2001. As he entered the mosque the Pope’s shoes were removed and he put on white slippers and kissed a copy of the Qur’an to show respect - but not complete agreeance with all the teachings contained in the Qur’an, since it teaches some anti-Christian things as well as concepts compatible with our faith. In 2006 Pope Benedict entered the Blue Mosque in Turkey and prayed towards Mecca. Again it doesn’t mean that he agrees with EVERYTHING Islam teaches (it has things that are anti-Christian as well as good things).

So they provide us with a standard and tell us that yes you definetly could go into a Zen Temple to learn Zen, so long as you remember not to embrace things in their faith that are not COMPATIBLE and so cannot be inspired.

Hope that helps! 🙂
 
As to the OP Thomas Merton of past comes to mind and you might want to google Tessa Bielecki for right now. I don’t know their conclusion in this regard of seeking knowledge. I have read Tessa Bielecki and Merton from a Christian perspective.

Yes as Vouthon notes this would be the approach.

Peace
 
It seems to me that this discussion is all about how good we are. great! we are good.

So what? can our goodness get us to Heaven? this is the great question for me.
 
The lesson in Buddhism and Hinduism which I quickly correlate to Christianity is humility and overcoming the self and ego. So yes there’s the decend theory in effect through humility.

Peace
 
So then it might be interesting for you to hear what Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI actually taught regarding Yoga and meditation practices from other religions:

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) once wrote:

Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI are both holy and intelligent men - the former is now a Blessed and the latter is beyond doubt the greatest mind in Christian theology for a long time.

we should never seek to remove or destroy ANYTHING that is good in other religions and/or cultures:

"The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men" *(Nostra Aetate) *

Yoga, as a purely physical exercise,

Zen Buddhism and Taoism are remarkably “dogma-free” religions which means that it would be very essay for a Catholic to take good meditative practices from them and orient them towards Christ. Yoga is the same as well, so long as you don’t worship Vishnu or any other Hindu God but use it as a useful body exercise or even bring some Christan spiriuality into the practice eg begin and end your stretching exercises with the Sign of the Cross, Hail Mary and a Our Father etc.

This is not “syncretism” btw rather its embracing the good, divinely inspired truths and practices in all cultures/religions. It does not concern Hindu cosmology or theology, which from our perspective as Catholics has teachings (ie reincarnation) which are NOT divinely inspired but which rather reflect the musings of wise, intelligent men trying to grapple with parts of the Hindu faith that ARE DIVINELY INSPIRED.
If you can practice as you propose and deepen your faith in Christ as you claim, then I owe you an apology. My comment both admitted ignorance of the actual statements of the Holy Father as well as was careful to use the word “practice” which denotes in Eastern terms a kind of conversion in progress.

Also, these cultures have a longer written history than ours. Archeology will verify that if you are inclined to verify it. China, Japan (which adapted Buddhism from the Indians in this order—>OM–>Tao–>Zen) and these other Asian cultures are remarkably different in their evangelizing wisdom than we are. This likely has resulted from their meditative practices, which reduce angst and attachment and thus sense of time urgency.

This sense of time (and its consequence reincarnation) has itself a consequence: you can be 1/2 Hindu, 1/2 Buddhist etc. They have no doubt in the veracity of their philosophical claims per their organizing precepts. So to them it’s no big deal if you don;t agree–cause you can’t change reality if you wanted to.

Have you ever heard of someone dying 1/2 Christian? We take it much more urgently and so I said if you practice with them do not be misled that you are just touching the surface and therefore it is OK. I don’t think this position contradicts you or the past Popes. By the way, John Paul II was often emphatic that Christ is superior.

If one knows that they have woven their beliefs into a teaching, and one “practices” that way, my opinion is that one might be in danger of apostasy. Jesus gave many examples of ‘foundation’ that can be taken figuratively to mean that if we build our happiness on something that is in turn built on a faulty foundation, we will crumble when the storms and wind come. If one builds his tranquility on a doctrine that hinges on reincarnation, what will his true beliefs be at the sacraments or when he faces judgment—Throw me back into the sea? I’m only suggesting, ironically, that the unconscious mind guides more of our beliefs than we give it credit and that if one consciously calls those systems “doctrine free” then one has been caught “hook, line, and sinker”, and, in fact, has possibly been converted unconsciously which could over this one lifetime cause problems of a faith in crisis.

I’m not really one for mixed cereal, pick and choose religion. Mine were only words of caution and assertion that the Popes are infallible–because ultimately there is only one God and we can in no wise avoid or worship any but he. The question of moral guidance on adjunct spiritual systems is very tricky. I would hope that the popes in all their sincerity, would not want to lose the flock to a group of contortionists or idol worshipers? That doesn’t mean you can’t exercise obviously or do isometrics in coordination with breath–you see what I mean, it’s difficult to even imagine those activities now without mental association to the Yoga. Soon enough we won’t be able to think without that association. That is alarming and dangerous, as we are free children of God and must remain so.
 
First of all, all (or most) religions agree that there is One God including Hindus…they may have multiple names for God but in the end they believe in the Oneness of God. Having said that, it is clear that there is One God and He is the same God of everyone - Christians, Catholics, Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.

When everybody belongs to the same God, why is there an egoistic trip to claim that “My God is better tha yours”?? Remember that Nobody OWNS God and Nobody can say “He is My God”…rather he should say “I belong to Him” since WE belong to God and not the other way around.

If this basic understanding is clear, ALL of us on this planet will be living in peace with no religious strifes. Humans will be able to accept other humans regardless of religion and adapt themselves to be more understanding of others. After all, we are ALL God’s creations and it will be very nasty to discriminate another of God’s creation.
 
Always remember that a literal translation of the creedal statement, “We believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” could be:

“We believe in One Sacred, Universal and Mission-Sent Assembly of God”

Catholic means Universal, Apostolic means “One sent on a mission [from God]”, Holy means “Sacred” and Church comes from the Greek ekklesia/kuriakon which means “House/Assembly of God”…

The Earliest name for followers of Chhrist was, “Followers of the Way”…The Catholic Church is the Universal House of God which welcomes all mankind to its doorstep.
 
First of all, all (or most) religions agree that there is One God including Hindus…they may have multiple names for God but in the end they believe in the Oneness of God. Having said that, it is clear that there is One God and He is the same God of everyone - Christians, Catholics, Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.

When everybody belongs to the same God, why is there an egoistic trip to claim that “My God is better tha yours”?? Remember that Nobody OWNS God and Nobody can say “He is My God”…rather he should say “I belong to Him” since WE belong to God and not the other way around.

If this basic understanding is clear, ALL of us on this planet will be living in peace with no religious strifes. Humans will be able to accept other humans regardless of religion and adapt themselves to be more understanding of others. After all, we are ALL God’s creations and it will be very nasty to discriminate another of God’s creation.
And what are the Moral teachings of this one God to mankind? What are we to go with here our own better thinking? Lets say we base this on Love, who will then define what Gods understanding of love is? Man? Social/political structure’s? Whom?

Peace
 
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I am enjoying being a new member of this group - the discussions are very interesting and illuminating.
 
If you believe in the teachings of the Essene’s of Mt. Carmel, then they fit perfectly.
 
After all Pope John Paul II went into a Mosque in 2001. As he entered the mosque the Pope’s shoes were removed and he put on white slippers and kissed a copy of the Qur’an to show respect - but not complete agreeance with all the teachings contained in the Qur’an, since it teaches some anti-Christian things as well as concepts compatible with our faith. In 2006 Pope Benedict entered the Blue Mosque in Turkey and prayed towards Mecca. Again it doesn’t mean that he agrees with EVERYTHING Islam teaches (it has things that are anti-Christian as well as good things).

So they provide us with a standard and tell us that yes you definetly could go into a Zen Temple to learn Zen, so long as you remember not to embrace things in their faith that are not COMPATIBLE and so cannot be inspired.

Hope that helps! 🙂
That was the worst thing that he could have done, going into a mosque in the first place, kissing the Qur’an and in the Blue Mosque which was a Christian Church, praying towards Mecca. All this gives Muslims the impression that the Pope agrees and submits to the Muslim faith. After all the meaning of Islam is “to submit”. We Lutherans have a word for it - Syncretism. This would never happen in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod.
 
That was the worst thing that he could have done, going into a mosque in the first place, kissing the Qur’an and in the Blue Mosque which was a Christian Church, praying towards Mecca. All this gives Muslims the impression that the Pope agrees and submits to the Muslim faith.
Perhaps you can point me to those Muslims who have drawn that impression. I have yet to hear of any, but perhaps your knowledge of their interpretation of the Pope’s actions is superior to mine.

Even if they did, that would not make him wrong. The Pope acts according to reality, not according to perceptions. He honors aspects of Islam because those aspects are worthy of honor. (He criticizes others, because they are worthy of criticism.) May he live long and have worthy successors!
After all the meaning of Islam is “to submit”. We Lutherans have a word for it - Syncretism. This would never happen in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod.
Indeed. Your denomination has a reputation for intransigent sectarianism. I hope you are happy with it.

I think that accusing Pope Benedict of syncretism is rather straining the word, however.

Have you read any part of Truth and Tolerance?

Edwin
 
If you believe in the teachings of the Essene’s of Mt. Carmel, then they fit perfectly.
Clarification: this group appears to me to be a solely modern one. A reader might be misled into thinking that you were referring to a genuine ancient group. Perhaps there is some evidence for the ancient “Essenes of Mt. Carmel” of which I am ignorant, but the website of the modern group provides no evidence that I can see!

Edwin
 
They do seem to be pretty new, the “New Testament” they adhere to which is the “Gospel of the Holy Twelve” has some controversies associated with it as well. Keep guarded but open minded.
 
Perhaps you can point me to those Muslims who have drawn that impression. I have yet to hear of any, but perhaps your knowledge of their interpretation of the Pope’s actions is superior to mine.

Even if they did, that would not make him wrong. The Pope acts according to reality, not according to perceptions. He honors aspects of Islam because those aspects are worthy of honor. (He criticizes others, because they are worthy of criticism.) May he live long and have worthy successors!

Indeed. Your denomination has a reputation for intransigent sectarianism. I hope you are happy with it.

I think that accusing Pope Benedict of syncretism is rather straining the word, however.

Have you read any part of Truth and Tolerance?

Edwin
Yes, I am happy with the LC-MS position. There is no truth in Islam especially. In there view there is the House of Peace ( Dar al-Islam ) and the House of War ( Dar al-Harb ). The only time Muslims are tolerant are when they are in the minority.
They say pictures speak a thousand words, what do you think that the average Muslim in the Muslim world thought when they seen that picture in the Blue Mosque? Most of the Muslim world did not voluntarily go from Christian to Islam, it was by conquest. See how tolerant the Muslims are in Egypt where they are killing and burning Coptic churches or try to worship openly and openly wear a cross, let alone build a church in Saudi Arabia. Truth and Tolerance, give-me a break.
 
Yes, I am happy with the LC-MS position. There is no truth in Islam especially. In there view there is the House of Peace ( Dar al-Islam ) and the House of War ( Dar al-Harb ). The only time Muslims are tolerant are when they are in the minority.
That’s a non sequitur. You give one disturbing Islamic teaching and claim that it proves there is no truth in Islam. This is illogical.
They say pictures speak a thousand words, what do you think that the average Muslim in the Muslim world thought when they seen that picture in the Blue Mosque?
Apparently you know. Perhaps you can share how you know?
Most of the Muslim world did not voluntarily go from Christian to Islam, it was by conquest. See how tolerant the Muslims are in Egypt where they are killing and burning Coptic churches or try to worship openly and openly wear a cross, let alone build a church in Saudi Arabia. Truth and Tolerance, give-me a break.
Is that because you have read it and disagree with it, or just because you don’t like any title with “tolerance” in it?

Edwin
 
That’s a non sequitur. You give one disturbing Islamic teaching and claim that it proves there is no truth in Islam. This is illogical.

Apparently you know. Perhaps you can share how you know?

Is that because you have read it and disagree with it, or just because you don’t like any title with “tolerance” in it?

Edwin
No, I did not read your book. You should read The Great Divide by Alvin J. Schmidt.
What truth is there in Islam, it is all built on lies. We do not worship the same God as Muslims. We worship a Triunre God, Thee Persons in One, look at the Athanasian Creed.
Muslim worship a god named Allah.
One can be tolerant of Muslims in the civil realm, but not in the religious realm.
 
A friend of mine lent me his World Religions(Huston Smith) text book. I ended up reading the chapters on Christianity, Hinduism, and Buddhism. The 3 religions all shared notable storys and teachings such as:

Mara trying to tempt Buddha (Jesus in the desert with the Devil)
The ideas of acceptance of God.
The stages of life (Sacraments),
The idea of letting go of material items to follow God or a deeper calling.
The 10 Commandments and Path of Renunciation (refrain from certain things for God)
Love, joy, and peace and a lifestyle free from guilt.

These are all deep basic ideas that all trace back to morality, and the idea of 1 God; living a better lifestyle. In a sense, they all seem the same on ground level. Is it possible to be Christian but agree and follow some Hinduist and Buddhist ideas?
“Can it really be that God has said”
… Genesis 3:1

The principles and ordinances found in the Bible produce positive results, to some degree, for everyone that practices them… even if they attribute the principle to the wrong source. Example… Give and you will receive. I remember reading a study of wealthy people and how they gained and maintained that wealth. Invariably they said that giving was crucial to the process… their religious convictions… or lack of same … did not negate the principle established by God. The problem is that Buddhists/ Hindus/ etc … do not acknowledge the correct source of the principles … and the blessings.

The civilization that we live in is governed by the principles established in the Bible … in every detail. The level of peace and success that we all enjoy … or not … correlates directly to the level of the Biblical principles that our society adheres to … and yet it is against the law in many cases to openly acknowledge that fact… that prohibition has absolutely no effect on the fact that those principles govern everyone… every day. Denial of the fact that law of gravity was established by God has no effect on it’s power to produce results.
 
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