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benedictus2
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There your statement does not make sense because that is an absolute statement.
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benedictus2
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That is a good cop out and you are free to take that exit line.
Was I discussing scripture with you? I don’t think so
You should have read JMarty’s question better then.
He asked, “even evil”
You said: Yes.
You may want to dance around it and go round and around in circles but there it is.
If you are not to hate evil then you must love it. What does it mean to love evil.
Let’s say torture, murder, rape is evil. So therefore according to you you must love these too. You think if you love torture, murder and evil you will be untouched and unchanged by it?
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-The quote said to love all living things.
-I got asked a question that showed lack of attention as to what the quote said and hence extended it to all things.
-I did reply that love can and should shine on all things without regard to what they are. To bestow love on all things doesn’t mean that you crave all things, unless you have a very limited or bestial knowledge of love. The level of love that I seek to realize doesn’t cause one to crave the things it is directed at, or form attachments.
-The Bhagavad Gita explicitly describes how this works, and how one may even have to fight something that one loves. It means that you do your duty as a participant in God’s great drama, while showing love and respect for all that He created, because none of it popped up without His knowledge or His having made the potential for it to be so.
The problem is that you have fallen prey to Wiley Coyote syndrome. You’re so busy trying to catch me being wrong or outsmart me, that you’re missing the real points and banging yourself up along the way. You’ve stepped into some very deep territory while taking a very shallow view.
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Agreed.
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benedictus2
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Granted you replied " to love all living things".
Therefore you were not paying attention to JMartyrs question since JMartyrs question was whether we should not hate evil.
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benedictus2
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Not quite. It was because you were dancing around JMartyrs question. Or maybe it was just a lack of attention on your part.
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Sufjon
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Dear Benedictus: You may consider if you will, the possibility that you and JMarytr have mistaken your failure to understand the answers as a dance. We are speaking to one another from vantage points that are outside of one another’s conditioning in terms of how we think and comprehend. My belief is that you are simply viewing my answers with a reasoning process that can’t be used to process the information I am sharing with you.
My sense is that the two of you are making an assertion that to love all things, one must by necessity love evil and participate in evil. That is only true if the truths I am pointing to are viewed from a dualist perspective, and indeed this has been a prevalent perspective for some time in western culture. This is becoming less and less the case. The potential for every outcome exists within the consciousness of what you would call God. Every outcome and every scenario. Each of them in their infinite numbers are born of the consciousness of God. In this state of potentiality, it is all perfect, because it is all there. It is whole. Our perception causes us to process these events as distinct and separate, and in this mode of observation, imperfections are seen, because they appear as distinct and separate outcomes…It is all fragmented. It is not. It is all part of a whole. When it is all put together, it is perfect.
Now, if you still have some fundamental question that you feel I have not answered or have danced around, please state the question again, and I will again try to answer it. I am having a hard time seeing what I have not answered.
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Let me make this simple. I hate nothing. I do not hate Adolf Hitler. I do not hate the Son of Sam. I do not hate the things they did. I do not hate anything. Let me see if you can understand this. If you hate something, then you are simply a reflection of that which you hate. Hate is a state of being - a condition within the self. So is love. Your love or hate does not always in a material way change all of these things that you could love or hate. They only change your state of being. When you hate something, you enter the realm of the thing you hate. You become just like it. You become a reflection of it. To evolve one day as a full expression of the potential God has bestowed on you, you must learn to react with love. Reacting with love cultivates more love. It need not be reciprocated. All the love you will ever need is already there inside of you. This is why Jesus didn’t shake His first a His enemies. He was not capable of diminishing Himself in such a way. We are, and this is what we have to work on.
This is not to be confused with accepting evil. If you find that you are in a situation wherein you must act against, this this is what you must do. But it needn’t be done with hate.
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I think that there are a few things in common with all three religions, based on Natural Law, but I have to wonder if Hinduism and Buddhism have a clear definition of “sin,” and its consequences, as Catholicism does. For instance, the current catechism of the Catholic Church says, in article 8 #1847, regarding sin, "God created us without us: but he did not will to save us without us. To receive his mercy, we must admit our faults. “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
- As St. Paul affirms, “Where sin is increased, grace abounded all the more.” But to do its work grace must uncover sin so as to convert our hearts and bestow on us “righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Like a physician who probes a wound before treating it, God, by his Word and by his spirit, casts a living light on sin:
The catechism then goes on to describe a more clear definition of sin, but maybe I’ll put that in another post later.
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benedictus2
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Sigh! Let me do this slowly.
Jmartyr: *It says he who is in contact with the “Supereme Lord” never hates anything. Does that include evil?
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You : Yes, evil can only effect that which you truly are, or harm that which you truly are if you respond to it in kind.
Now, pay attention to JMarty’s question. He did not ask you whether we should hate evil persons. He was asking whether we should hate evil. Get that?
Above you went on and on about the same thing again. If you pay closer attention to the question you would get it right.
So to get this moving forward, should one love rape, murder, torture, etc,etc,etc?
All this dancing around does not get to the point of the question.
Let me put this mathematically. Two negatives makes a positive, a negative and positive makes for negative.
Negative - Evil
Positive - Love.
Those who love evil end up being evil.
Negative - Evil
Negative - Hate
Those who hate evil end up being for Love.*
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It was a dance no ifs or buts.
Pay attention to the words being used in the question. And don’t put words into the question are not there. Re-read the question and maybe you will get that right.
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“Hate is not overcome by hate; by love alone is hate appeased. This is an ancient law.” - Dhammapada 1:5
Hatred is an extremely dangerous emotion. Avoid it.
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benedictus2
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So therefore one must love evil.
So it is a good thing to love racism, murder, rape, paedophilia,etc, etc.
Thank goodness sensible people would not agree with that.
So do you do that rossum? Do love racism, torture and every other evil there is?
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Let me get this, so you love the things that Adolf Hitler and the Son of Sam did.
Perhaps you can picture the Jews as they were starved and gassed to death. Picture Mengele as he experimented without anaesthesia on his victims. Imagine Or picture the victims of the Son of Sam as they bleed to death.
You love all these evil that is happening to these people?
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Where did the Dhammapada say that? You are setting up a false dichotomy here. One can opppose something without hating it. Do all Democrats hate all Republicans, and vice versa? Opposition does not entail hate. There are more possibilities than just hate and love.
You are setting up a false dichotomy. Your false dichotomy is leading you into error. Error is to be avoided.
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-I am saddened by evil. A mother doesn’t hate her child because her child is born a psychopath. A mother is saddened by it, assesses what she is being challenged by God to do for her child, and she sets herself about the work she has been given. She still loves her child. This is one of the slow and subtle ways that love overcomes what it bad. It is only overcome within.
-The sort of love I am seeking is not directed at this thing or that. Nor is it withheld from this thing or that. It is not attached to, nor does it crave this thing or that.
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Apart from your contention on the authors and dates of the Gospels, I would have to say that the Gospel accounts are much better documented as historical facts and much more contemporaneously written than the Bhagavad Gita, which went through a thousand years of accumulation and redaction.
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Hi benedictus2,
Maybe I can present this in a Catholic perspective: God is Love. I’ve seen that posted here a million times, and it’s true. God is pure love. Pure love has no room for hate. It’s God’s pure love that keeps everything in existence.
Sure, we can say that God is disappointed by evil. We can even say God is saddened by evil. But God does not hate evil. It would be a contradiction to say that Love hates. Pure Love cannot hate.
We are called on to try to emulate God, to be as loving as we possibly can. That doesn’t mean loving evil, or even condoning it. What it means is to be as loving as we possibly can, without having room for hate.
As Sufjon said, we should be saddened by evil, as God is, but that doesn’t mean allowing hatred into our hearts. We should try to emulate God, and God = Love.
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