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When a buddhist prays, to whom does he/she pray? Whether its with beads, prayer flags, offering incense, who or what is the object of these actions?

thanks in advance, God Bless!
 
When a buddhist prays, to whom does he/she pray? Whether its with beads, prayer flags, offering incense, who or what is the object of these actions?

thanks in advance, God Bless!
A Buddhist may be praying to one of the many gods that Buddhism recognises. Alternatively a Buddhist may be following one of the forms of meditation, such as chanting, which look very similar to Christian prayer from the outside. Beads are often used for keeping count of the number of repetitions of a mantra. A standard set of Buddhist/Hindu beads has 108 beads; a half set has 54.

rossum
 
Rossum,

Thanks for the reply. I am pretty naive about Buddhism…how do deities fit into an individual’s progress through life death and rebirth? I thought it was more about your struggle with self.

Warm regards
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A Buddhist may be praying to one of the many gods that Buddhism recognises. Alternatively a Buddhist may be following one of the forms of meditation, such as chanting, which look very similar to Christian prayer from the outside. Beads are often used for keeping count of the number of repetitions of a mantra. A standard set of Buddhist/Hindu beads has 108 beads; a half set has 54.

rossum
The prayer beads in buddhism would be to the buddhas and bodhissatvas. I’ve done it many times. It’s like a rosary. Every religion has prayer beads of some kind. I’n order for it to really work you have to have received a blessing or empowerment.

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Thanks for the reply. I am pretty naive about Buddhism…how do deities fit into an individual’s progress through life death and rebirth? I thought it was more about your struggle with self.
Gods are living beings following their own paths through life, death and rebirth towards nirvana. They are more powerful than humans, and longer lived though they still die. They can grant mundane gifts, just as people can give mundane gifts to other people. If you want to win the lottery, then pray to a god.

If you want to get to nirvana then you have to do it for yourself, just as every god/dess has to do it for him/her self.

rossum
 
It depends what kind of buddhist is doing it. Nicheren buddhists use prayer beads when chanting, often dozens of times in a row, “nam myoho renge kyo”, which roughly translates to “Glory to the Sutra of the Lotus of the Supreme Law”. I don’t think NIcherens are doing this as a form of prayer, but rather, to help them better understand compassion and living by the eightfold path (I don’t know how they think that reciting a phrase over and over again will help them do this, but that’s their business).

Mahayana buddhists often recite the lotus sutra, which is kind of like what John 3:16 is to Christianity; it’s a summary of their creed. Mahayanas may also make supplicattions to a bodhisattva, like Amitabha, whilst using the beads to count the amount of times they’ve recited the supplication.
 
It depends what kind of buddhist is doing it. Nicheren buddhists use prayer beads when chanting, often dozens of times in a row, “nam myoho renge kyo”, which roughly translates to “Glory to the Sutra of the Lotus of the Supreme Law”. I don’t think NIcherens are doing this as a form of prayer, but rather, to help them better understand compassion and living by the eightfold path (I don’t know how they think that reciting a phrase over and over again will help them do this, but that’s their business).
Chanting is a form of meditation. Tibetan Buddhists often use Om mani padme hum. in a similar way.
Mahayana buddhists often recite the lotus sutra, which is kind of like what John 3:16 is to Christianity; it’s a summary of their creed. Mahayanas may also make supplicattions to a bodhisattva, like Amitabha, whilst using the beads to count the amount of times they’ve recited the supplication.
The Lotus Sutra is not a summary, it is longer than the New Testament. You may be thinking of the Heart Sutra, which is a short summary.

rossum
 
Chanting is a form of meditation. Tibetan Buddhists often use Om mani padme hum. in a similar way.

The Lotus Sutra is not a summary, it is longer than the New Testament. You may be thinking of the Heart Sutra, which is a short summary.

rossum
Ah, my bad. Thank you for clearing that up. 🙂
 
When a buddhist prays, to whom does he/she pray? Whether its with beads, prayer flags, offering incense, who or what is the object of these actions?

thanks in advance, God Bless!
I would suppose a buddhist prays to Buddha who else do you think?
 
I would suppose a buddhist prays to Buddha who else do you think?
No. Or at least there is no point. The Buddha has attained parinirvana and so cannot intervene in the world. If you want something in the real world, then ask a god or a friend to help you.

Meditating on the Buddha is helpful for many, but that is not intercessory prayer in the usual sense. A lot of Buddhist meditation techniques can appear to be like some prayers, especially when the prayers are more directed internally than requests for action by God.

rossum
 
I would suppose a buddhist prays to Buddha who else do you think?
I do not think that properly educated Buddhists pray to anyone. Popular Buddhism is somewhat syncretic and superstitious and believe in so called gods.

However Buddha himself was very anti-superstitious. The only person who can help another achieve Nirvana is, in the end, only oneself. People can provide the right teaching for you to proceed on the right Path - but you and you alone have to walk it.

Chanting and meditating are techniques for uniting oneself/penetrating the true meaning of the teachings of the Path. Highest meditation seems to involve direct experience of three basic truths, the reality of suffering, impermanence of all things and the illusion of self.

Pureland Buddhism talk/meditate re “Buddha Nature” in a way that seems very similar to Catholics praying/uniting themselves with the Mystical Body of Christ.
 
I do not think that properly educated Buddhists pray to anyone. Popular Buddhism is somewhat syncretic and superstitious and believe in so called gods.

However Buddha himself was very anti-superstitious. The only person who can help another achieve Nirvana is, in the end, only oneself. People can provide the right teaching for you to proceed on the right Path - but you and you alone have to walk it.

Chanting and meditating are techniques for uniting oneself/penetrating the true meaning of the teachings of the Path. Highest meditation seems to involve direct experience of three basic truths, the reality of suffering, impermanence of all things and the illusion of self.

Pureland Buddhism talk/meditate re “Buddha Nature” in a way that seems very similar to Catholics praying/uniting themselves with the Mystical Body of Christ.
Most of these so called “superstitions” have a rather deep meaning, and not the surface interpretation many people ascribe to them. When it comes to bodhisattvas, so called Buddhist “deities”, they are by many viewed as aspects of an enlightened mind and not beings that exist in some heavenly sphere.

There are many similarities between catholicism and buddhism (particularly tibetan buddhism). When Jesuits first entered Tibet, they thought the devil must have copied catholicism due to the many resemblances:
  • A system of merit and indulgences.
  • A treasury of merit
  • Confession
  • Holy water
  • Apostolic succession
  • Two sources of truth: Tradition and Scripture
  • Purgatory (non-eternal hell in buddhism where all the demerits are paid for)
  • Last purifying rites for dying (phowa in buddhism, anointing of the sick catholicism)
  • Prayers for the dead.
  • Making offerings (foods, for instance) and then sharing and eating them (Guru Puja + tsog).
I am sure there are many more. This is just what I can remember off the top of my head.

EDIT: Also, the word “prayer” in tibetan means “wish-path”. Offering a prayer is making a sincere wish. Typically acts such as meditation are dedicated to the benefit of all and not just the meditator. Since the entire world of experience exists in the mind, wishes are viewed as having great power for good or ill.

EDIT2: Also, while there is no personal creator-God in Buddhism, there is the Dharmakaya, which is very much like God in other religions:

"The dharmakaya is the Absolute; the essence of the universe; the unity of all things and beings, unmanifested. The dharmakaya is beyond existence or nonexistence, and beyond concepts. The late Chogyam Trungpa called the dharmakaya “the basis of the original unbornness(…) It is the basis of all existence, including you. It is also the spiritual body or “truth body” of all buddhas.”
 
I do not think that properly educated Buddhists pray to anyone. Popular Buddhism is somewhat syncretic and superstitious and believe in so called gods.
I think one of the problems with accepting that interpretation is that you have essentially “chosen a side” regarding a set of issues which Buddhists themselves tend to argue and debate about.

Or to put the shoe on the other foot, it would be like a Buddhist believing “sola scriptura” is what all “right-thinking” Christians believe. Or believing the correct interpretation of the writings of Isaiah find their true expression in Rabbinic Judaism as opposed to any form of Christianity.

IE: The Buddhist just stepped waist-deep into an inter/intra religious debate between Christian sects or between Christianity and another religion altogether.

In the same way that many of you Christians are quite careful in trying to contrast and compare each others set of doctrines as being Catholic, a specific type of Protestantism, Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox, the approach to questions on Buddhism should take on that same care.

In other words, specify the type of Buddhism.

Case in point
Most of these so called “superstitions” have a rather deep meaning, and not the surface interpretation many people ascribe to them. When it comes to bodhisattvas, so called Buddhist “deities”, they are by many viewed as aspects of an enlightened mind and not beings that exist in some heavenly sphere.
Veedar’s statement rings true…depending on the type of Buddhist you are.

From the Theravadan perspective, which considers itself to be “true Buddhism” because it can trace its historical pedigree to one of the original 13 nikayas - all this talk about Bodhisattvas and many of the religious rituals associated with the various forms of Buddhism recognizable in the west gets hit with that “superstition” category.

From the various Mahayana perspectives (99% of Buddhism coming out of East Asia), a lot of merit-making rituals, chanting of mantras, and offerings to deities are perfectly valid. In fact, many of them have rather Concrete ties to suggestions and the philosophy of the Mahayana texts which serve both as holy book texts and philosophical discourses. The Theravadans are seen to be trodding upon a “lesser” path, while the Vajrayana/Tibetan Buddhists are assumed to have mixed Buddhism with some “superstition.”

Except from the Tibetan Buddhist perspective, their own rituals and yogic practices are seen as being a “higher” or at least “faster” path toward enlightenment unlike the Mahayana or Theravadans. I think one of the things i’ve often hear is that by practicing the Tantric rituals of Tibetan Buddhist, a person may yet achieve Buddhahood within 16 lifetimes, while the Mahayana folk have 3 Eons, and the Theravadans…have a really really really long time (beyond 3 eons at the very least).

And from the Western-Reformed Buddhist perspective, all of the Above is a Bunch of Superstition. Core tenents like “Karma” and “Reincarnation” which all of the 3 above accept, get reinterpreted in a manner which falls into line with a Scientific Materialist paradigm.

To add complications on top of all that:

1.) The term “Mahayana” Buddhism is about as descriptive as “Protestantism.” Think about all the various ways that Protestants disagree not with the Catholic Church, but with each other.

That pretty much expresses the diversity within Mahayana Buddhism.

2.) Even Tibetan Buddhism has 4 Different Schools.

Each School traces itself back via a lineage to an Indian master(s), who while sharing the same world view - taught in very different manners.

Which means their perspectives color the manner in which Vajrayana buddhist practice is explained.

Want a little taste of that? One of my Tibetan Buddhist friends gave me the following:

The Gelug school (of which the Dalai Lama originates out of) might make a claim like

“The Mind is Impermanent.”

The Kagyu and Nyingma schools would make the counter-claim that

“The Mind is Permanent.”

Contradiction? Seemed like it to me until i found out the following:

When the Gelug school says the “Mind is Impermanent,” they are referring to the idea that Awareness of an Object changes from moment to moment - in the sense that your mind is encountering different objects from moment to moment.

However, the Kagyu and Nyingma meaning behind “The Mind is Permanent,” refers to the mind’s awareness of an object continues forever, its basic nature remains unaffected by anything and thus never changes. The mind is a “Continuum” of awareness of objects, with neither beginning nor end.

Whether you agree with the Metaphysics is besides the point. However, you’ll notice all 3 schools don’t make mutually exclusive claims with their statements - as their statements are really about different aspects of the mind. A Gelug would accept what the Kagyu and Nyingma (except they wouldn’t phrase it that way) insight, and vice versa (the Kagyu and Nyingma just wouldn’t phrase the Gelug’s claim in that manner).

But they use the Same Words and Terminology…just in different ways.

And consider - that’s for the stuff they can agree on. Haven’t even touched the stuff they don’t.

Going back to point of all that - all i’m trying to say is that the “Rabbit Hole” of Buddhism extends pretty far.

Just in the same manner it does for Christianity and Judaism and all the other religions you folks in the West Are Familiar with.

So you really have to nail-down what Type of Buddhism you are talking about. Otherwise, its the equivalent of saying, “All Christians Believe in the Trinity.” Or “All Jews follow the same Exact Kosher Laws.”

It just isn’t that simple.
 
Going back to point of all that - all i’m trying to say is that the “Rabbit Hole” of Buddhism extends pretty far.
An excellent summary. And we Buddhists have had 500 more years to build our rabbit holes…

rossum
 
Except from the Tibetan Buddhist perspective, their own rituals and yogic practices are seen as being a “higher” or at least “faster” path toward enlightenment unlike the Mahayana or Theravadans. I think one of the things i’ve often hear is that by practicing the Tantric rituals of Tibetan Buddhist, a person may yet achieve Buddhahood within 16 lifetimes, while the Mahayana folk have 3 Eons, and the Theravadans…have a really really really long time (beyond 3 eons at the very least)…
Excellent summary. But I am not sure the differences are as large as some tend to think. Most protestants accept each others as valid Christians, and Mahayana & Theravadans also accept each others as genuine Buddhists. When it comes to the time it takes to get enlightened in Theravada, it depends on what kind of enlightenment you are talking about:

“According to Theravada teachings, there are three kinds of beings who have reached the fourth stage of enlightenment: Buddhas, Pacceka-Buddhas, and Arahants. Arahants are also called Savakas or Disciples; they are subdivided into Aggasavaka (the Best Disciples), Mahasavaka (the Great Disciples) and Pakatisavaka (the Ordinary Disciples). All of these beings are enlightened persons, but their quality of enlightenment differs from one another. The enlightenment of the Buddhas is the best, that of Pacceka-Buddhas is inferior to the enlightenment of the Buddhas, but is superior to the enlightenment of the Arahants, and the enlightenment of the Arahants is the lowest of them all. Buddhas can ‘save’ many beings, or rather they can help many beings ‘save’ themselves by giving them instructions, but Pacceka-Buddhas do not ‘save’ beings because they are solitary Buddhas and do not teach as a rule. The Arahants can and do ‘save’'beings, but not as many beings as Buddhas do. And the time required for the maturity of the qualities of these beings differ greatly. To become a Buddha, one has to fulfill the Paramis (necessary qualities for becoming a Buddha) for four, eight or sixteen Incalculables and 100,000 worlds cycles; but for a Pacceka-Buddha the time is only two Incalculables and 100,000 world cycles. Among the Disciples, for an Aggasavaka, the time required is one Incalculable and 100,000 world cycles, while for a Mahasavaka, it is only 100,000. But for the Pakatisavaka, it may be just one life, or a hundred lives, or a thousand lives, or more. It is important to note that once a person becomes an arahant, he will not become a Buddha in that life; and since there is no more rebirth for him, he will not become a Buddha in the future either.” - (budsas.org/ebud/ebdha064.htm emphasis added)

So often, these traditions do not understand each other fully. There are very fast ways to enlightenment in Theravada Buddhism. In fact, if you doubt that these states of mind exist and you wish to put some effort into finding out, you can go on a three month retreat to Burma or Malaysia and practice the a form of meditation known as Mahasi Noting. Half of those who do, attain stream entry (first stage of enlightenment) on that retreat.
 
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