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On the friendly thread at least two people mention they were"burned" by protestant pentecostalism. What does it mean, “burned”? I was thinking of going to a lecture on CCR, but I wouldn’t want to get “burned.”
Total agreementI you mean the chrismatic movement when you say CCR, then I have something to add.
I was “born again” in the Assemblies of God, a pentacostal group.
My experience with the chrismatic movement was very bad.
First, I do not see much scriptural support for their “praying in tongues” as the only gift of tongues in scripture is at Pentacost when the Apostles spoke in languages they did not know but that the people who heard them did know. No where do I see anything about a private prayer language or of the Holy Spirit praying though you.
There is also the fact that we do not all recieve the same Gifts.
I also see the “Baptism of the Spirit” to be a divisive thing. It creates second class Christians. Those who do not experience. There is only one Baptism.
Sorry for the rant.
Though I don’t have any family members who left for Pentacostalism, many of the parishioners in the parish I grew up in did because I guess they found a certain freedom, emotionalism there and they received some Protestant Bible teaching that I think really confused them. I remember my mom was involved but got out because of some of the abuses mentioned above.Total agreement
I have had two family members that were into the chrismatic movement and left the church for a Pentacostal one.
Also, my mother suffered a nevous breakdown from her involvement with CCR. She was convinced that the members were reading her mind and teamed her up with a very sickly woman and was told to draw upon each others energies.
The group was runned by laypeople and all sorts of NonCatholic theroies were taking over the group.
Well I kinda like Creedence Clearwater Revival.Singing to guitars to some very bad 70’s CCR music
So what does CCR stand for? Catholic Charismatic R_____? And what about the references to chrismatic? Are these movements at all related to the Protestant Pentacostal churches, such as Assemblies of God? I have just enough background on this stuff to follow a little, but not enough to really understand this thread. Thanks.Well I kinda like Creedence Clearwater Revival.
Oops, wrong forum.
Oh, La ChiaraSo what does CCR stand for? Catholic Charismatic R_____? And what about the references to chrismatic? Are these movements at all related to the Protestant Pentacostal churches, such as Assemblies of God? I have just enough background on this stuff to follow a little, but not enough to really understand this thread. Thanks.
buzzcut said:3j, Byz, Beebs, Jon, JC, Roberta, thank you all for your informative replies. So what I’m hearing is that CCR can be helpful. The “burned” references I read were all in regard to protestant pentecostals, not CCR. Beebs, you’ve given me an idea of the kind of spookiness to watch out for. 3j, yes, I do feel drawn to at least go to the CCR lecture and give them a listen. JC thanks for the heads-up about the cheesy music!
Still haven’t received an answer. Can those of you in the know explain these terms to those of us who can’t quite follow this thread? Thanks.So what does CCR stand for? Catholic Charismatic R_____? And what about the references to chrismatic? Are these movements at all related to the Protestant Pentacostal churches, such as Assemblies of God? I have just enough background on this stuff to follow a little, but not enough to really understand this thread. Thanks.
With all respect, Della, I must ask, how do you come to this conclusion? How do you know this?The problem with the charismatic movement in the Church is that it is not regulated well enough. It is allowed by the Church but there are no real controls over the various groups in our parishes. Some are very good indeed, but many fall into the pitfalls that independent groups often do, of hubris and abuse, of misguided theology and cultish behavior. …
I do not know who you received this answer from.First, because there is no bishop or committee listed at the top of it, or is there? To me it seems lay driven.
Second, I believe that many of the Chrismatic Masses are full of abuses.
The Mass is the Mass no matter what group is going to it. I wrote to a parish that has a Chrismatic Mass and ask.
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Here was their reply.
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Homily is Spirit-led to speak personally to the people.
At the Penitential Rite, and Prayers of the Faithful, individual people come forward for prayers (they usually stay in their pew at our parish).
At Communion time is allowed for individual words of prophecy to be spoken out.
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Homily is Spirit-led? What’s that? …
The Penitential Rite is the Penitential Rite, not a time for people to come forward. I believe that this is an abuse. Not to sure about the Prayers of the Faithful,…
“Individual words of prophecy” spoken out during Communion? Again this is very fishy and I believe it is an abuse…
Who is this bishop?I do not know who you received this answer from.
I would like to address a few of the things mentioned here.
First of all, Bishops.
First of all there is a Liaison to the Holy Father, himself for the Charismatic Renewal. The Holy Father recognizes us and encourages us. Much has been written about this in these threads, I won’t go over it again.
Nearly every Diocese has a liaison to the Bishop for the Charismatic Renewal. In many Diocese, the Bishop participates to some extent in the Catholic Charismatic Conferences. I have seen many of them, myself.
Well I have to say that you all are not careful as the parish I emailed and gave me that description is not careful as there are abuses.We are all very careful not to allow abuses in the Charismatic Masses. As you know, reading the threads here, individual parishes allow them to slip in, most often not being aware that they are abuses. We love the Mass and we are as a group, usually extremely obedient to Holy Mother Church.
That is an abuse. Again, the Mass is the Mass, no one has any right to change it on their own.We do spend time praising God during the elevation of the Holy Eucharist. We are not rushed and many of us sing or speak praises out loud. That is a difference from a regular Sunday Mass. An abuse? Well, if that is an abuse, I am for it.
No, you might not, but the parish that gave me the description of what happens at their parish does, but you do interupt the Mass for personal prasies.We do not interupt Mass for prophesy either. Scripture says that everything should have order and that is what we strive for.
You say your lay led but try not to be lay led? Huh? : hmmm: That makes no sense at all.You say we are lay led but we do our very best to see that this does not happen.
Really? I see no detail here. I provided a description of what the Chrismatic Mass is at a parish. This parish gave me this description though an email. You have given nothing except to say that this is not done, yet I have an email that says it is. You even admit to an abuse in your attempt to refute the email I have from a parish.I have gone into a lot of detail here but I think it is called for. The same questions and accusations come up over and over again. They truly need to be challenged and answered.