Burned-over district

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LittleDeb:
In all seriousness this was so interesting to learn about the district and really delve deeper into some of the influences on Joseph Smith. We really should start a thread on the influences in his life. Any takers?
I’ve been thinking about that one for a while. I not yet a ‘non-LDS’ book on the life of Smith but I have read numerous semi-autobiographical works, historical records, the Doctrines and Covenants (which is actually a goldmine of Smith biography if read as such), and numerous other ‘papers’ found on both pro- and anti- LDS websites (and the latter, consisting, as they do, of both private corresponce about Smith as well as more public records than you may think) have led me more to possibilities of influwnce rgan a ‘picture’ of the man himself. Give me some time to gather some things - or if anyone else gas good sources PLEASE jump on it and start that thread!!!

One ‘conclusion’ that I have come to regarding Smith - he was a brilliant man in mant respects but he was not able to juggle many balls in the air simultaneously and it took outside influences and close, well-trusted men to bring order to a church that ;ikely would gave gone nowhere gad not particular sictrines and temple rites and ordinances been establisded quickly to satisfy men’s (but not beccessarily womem’s} most basic desires.
 
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arieh0310:
Are you sure it wasn’t already published under the title The Book of Zelph ?
I thought this was a complete Joke and made up since you can’t find Zelph anywhere in the BOM. I could not stop laughing, until I found this from the LDS apologetics web site FARMS
farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=jbms&id=202

It’s a serious stretch when you read the conclusions
Someday I hope Moroni explains more fully just where he was during those last three decades of his life, and I hope Zelph is by his side; and after Moroni is finished, I hope Zelph tells his story, geography and all.
But until that day comes Latter-day Saints, including scholars, should remember the counsel President Joseph F. Smith gave in 1903 and not allow disagreements regarding the precise location of Book of Mormon cities and sites to divide them and cause feelings of ill will to fester. Joseph Smith, I believe, would have embraced those who take the Book of Mormon seriously, study it faithfully, and strive to learn all that it has to teach them, including the location of its various cities, battlefields, rivers, and streams. If information on the finding of Zelph is helpful, then we should be grateful that this little-known event in Mormon history happened. Still the message on the pages of the Book of Mormon that Jesus is the Christ and that its prophets were real people who spoke for God is far more important than the location of Zarahemla and Desolation.
Have a fun read,
Catholic Guy
 
Has anyone else used the above links for Zelph the parody, and Zelph the Apologist explenation. Curious about your thoughts.

Catholic Guy
 
Catholic Guy:
Has anyone else used the above links for Zelph the parody, and Zelph the Apologist explenation. Curious about your thoughts.

Catholic Guy
Yes, I linked first to the “Book of Zelph” link and sheepishly admit that it took me a few minutes to realize that it was a parody (it certainly has the ‘look and feel’ of the LDS scriptures website). I read, I think, the first six chapters of the first ‘book’ contained in “The Book of Zelph” (the Book of Laban?) and, because of the ‘quality’ of the humor was not the type that I usely enjoy, on the one hand, but that - owing to a more-than-passing knowledge of the Book of Mormon - on the other hand, I found parts of the parody almost pure genius - I stopped reading with the intent of going back and picking up where I left off. I realize that some Mormons might find the parody blasphemous - I, were I Mormon, don’t think I would: however, having made that statement I must confess that, as an orthodox Catholic, there are parodies of Catholicism and Christianity which others find blasphemous which I find fall-on-the-floor hilarious: two fairly recent examples would be the movie “Dogma” and the book “The Gospel According to Biff”. The movie, if I recall was so successfully protested by Catholics even before its release that it was distributed by another distributor than the original. I don’t want to get into an argument over that particular movie on this thread, I only bring it up as an example of not being terribly thin-skinned when it comes to religious parody - even if the parody is of my particular religion.

When the second link was posted, I was absolutely astounded. I’ve read thousands of pages of FARMS apologetics and, upon reading that particular paper, I had to verify that the source actually was FARMS and not some surreptitious link to another parody site. Many - if not most - Mormon apologists admit that Joseph Smith was capable of error, that he was inerrant only when in full ‘prophetic’ mode and I would have thought that this would have been one of those historical cases where it would be more likely to admit that the question of ‘Zelph’ was one of those instances where Smith had not received a ‘revelation’ in full and unquestionable ‘prophet mode’. But instead the apologist accepts this as a true revelation, with plenty of witnesses and accounts, and proceeds to attempt an explanation and defend the ‘revelation’. It’s no wonder that, in all of my reading about the LDS church, I had never come across a character named ‘Zelph’ but what I do wonder about is why in the world anyone associated with FARMS would feel that the issue was one of defending ‘true revelation’ - why not stick to that which is written in the canon of Mormon writings? Whenever I bring up subjects not in the canon, most - if not all - Mormon apologists dismiss the subject altogether, insisting it not worth apologetics as it’s not in the canon and insisting that any history outside the canon is subjective and, therefor, not worthy of discussion. This bit about ‘Zelph’ on FARMS is another instance of an argument that strongly favors the notion that FARMS functions not as an apologetics association as apologetics is usually thought of - that is, defending a faith to those outside the faith - but rather as a source for internal ‘apologetics’ - serving to defend the faith for those who are a;ready among the faithful only but who might have become a little “too curious” about the history of their church and, coming across something as incredulous as the ‘revelation’ concerning ‘Zelph’, a quick little article needs to be cooked up to defend a witnessed and recorded revelation.

If you read only the first message in the “Mormon apologetics” thread here, you get an excellent definition of how that term operates, I think, and the further along that thread goes the more I see how essentially correct the definition given. That said, I have to say that I am still somewhat shocked by the FARMS article even if only because it proves the point so well that ‘Mormon apologetics’ has little, if anything, in common with Christian, and particularly Catholic, apologetics.
 
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Zooey:
By the by…Life-long resident of the “burned over district” here. Around here, it is pretty well accepted that Smith was indeed caught up in the religious fervor of the time/place…
We still have places named for the various movements that began here. There is a fairly recent book–can’t tell you the author–called The Psychic Corridor, or New York’s Psychic Corridor…something like that…It tells the history of the various & sundry groups that had their start here.
One of the subjects is, naturally, the start of the Mormon religion.
Is this the one?

The Crucible of Ferment: New York’s “Psychic Highway”

Looks like a pretty wild subject.
 
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