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alterserver_07
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So God’s Church isn’t perfect? So if God’s Church isn’t perfect, then God isn’t perfect, that is what you are saying
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Casen
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No, I don’t think their hearts were literally on fire, if that’s what you mean. I think they were refering to a feeling. Do you have another explanation?
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tkdnick
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No, I’m a literalist. I’m convinced their hearts were literally on fire. 
No, I don’t have another explanation. Just posing the possibility of there being another explanation.
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BJ_Colbert
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I feel this spiritual exhilaration while reading the Bible or the Book of Mormon or any of God’s true words. I remember being very down one evening and opening the Bible to the exact page where it tells of the lilies of the field and how if He cares for these things, how much more he cares for us. That is exactly what I needed to hear at that moment. To me God speaks to us through the scriptures whether it is from the Bible or the Book of Mormon, they are equal to me, in giving me spiritual edification, and a lightness in my soul, knowing that He cares for me personally.
I am sure that Catholics have felt this knowledge that God personally answers their prayers and speaks to their hearts through his scripture. It is the same for us, we feel the holy spirit with many things in our lives if we are in tune to listen to it.
I know you have felt it, because you are a good Catholic and he speaks to you too. It is not just Mormons who should have this good feeling inside when studying the scriptures or praying.
BJ
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Casen
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I’d be curious to hear if the practicing Catholics here feel something similar to the burning feeling described by the apostles in Luke when they read the Bible or attend Mass.
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tkdnick
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I wouldn’t call it a “burning” feeling. For me, it feels like my spirit is filled and overflowing. Like the Holy Spirit is overfilling me. I would call it similar to BJ talking about a “lightness of the soul”.
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BJ_Colbert
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That’s it! the feeling, that is described as burning. I think the description is probably inaccurate. It is just like you are describing, an overfilling of the spirit. I would not say it is burning as in a fire, just a very spiritual fullness, that is out of the ordinary. Usually comes upon you when you are focusing very hard to be in tune to the promptings of the Holy Spirit, through prayer or reading of Scripture.
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alterserver_07
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This may be the feeling, but we don’t base our beleifs on it. We get that feeling when something we know is great is going on or when we know it is the truth. We got backup to the feeling when it isn’t there, because it will not always be there, and during the hard times, it is nice to know that we have the total Truth of God.
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papist1
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So then what gave the early Christian Church this “burning in the bosom” before the Bible was existent? it was not until 382 ad that the canon of the Bible was made. did they have the burning from the non inspired scriptures offered for canonization also?
hmmm? which brings up another question.
why in the world would Mormons use a Catholic canonized new testament from 382 ad if the Church aposticized 300 years prior to this canonization?
That would mean that they hold to a new testament that was made by an apostate church, according to their beliefs.
hmmm?
sounds very very protestant to me.
hmmm? which brings up another question.
why in the world would Mormons use a Catholic canonized new testament from 382 ad if the Church aposticized 300 years prior to this canonization?
That would mean that they hold to a new testament that was made by an apostate church, according to their beliefs.
hmmm?
sounds very very protestant to me.
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TOmNossor
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hmmm? which brings up another question.
why in the world would Mormons use a Catholic canonized new testament from 382 ad if the Church aposticized 300 years prior to this canonization?
That would mean that they hold to a new testament that was made by an apostate church, according to their beliefs.
hmmm?
sounds very very protestant to me.
There are at least two differences between the LDS acceptance of the Catholic canon and the Protestant’s acceptance of this canon.
First, Joseph Smith the prophet of God authoritatively stated that we would use the KJV of the bible. We do not need to lean upon an authority we do not subscribe to in order to know the Bible is the word of God and profitable for …
Second, LDS do not embrace inerrancy (although I generally encourage LDS to embrace a functional inerrancy in that it usually does not get us very far spiritually or apologetically to question parts of the Bible). For us the Bible is sufficient. I can mention books that I believe should have been canonized, but the authority of the day failed to do this. The KJV of the Bible is a wonderful presentation of inspired scripture that is sufficient. Jesus quoted to the Sadducees and to the Pharisees only using the scripture they accepted. LDS use the Bible accepted by all of Christians. This is not a vote of acceptance for the authority that compiled the Bible, but a recognition of the Bible’s sufficiency and the benefit of having a common point from which to dialogue.
Charity, TOm
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TOmNossor
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I am saying that God’s church is served by MEN with authority from God, but still just HUMANS. This introduces a lack of perfection into the earthly manifestation of God’s church. I think you are just being argumentative.
Spurgeon was confronted by a man who was leaving his church because of problems this man had with Spurgeon’s message and actions. Spurgeon told the man that if he ever finds the perfect church he best not join it because then it would cease to be perfect.
All churches are made up of men. Some have greater guidance from God than others, but not one is perfect.
Charity, TOm
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MrS
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Perhaps their burning is somewhat similar to what most (not all) charismatics say they feel. It is all too often a self-induced, or self-generated feeling.
How does a former LDS remember his experience? And how was the fire “doused”?
How does a former LDS remember his experience? And how was the fire “doused”?
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TOmNossor
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Stillsearching,
First, thanks to Tmaque for a quick comment on stillsearching’s words. Despite the fact that the Catholic Encyclopedia was not my source for the perception that Islam grew amongst Christians separated from the heart of Christianity, it does hint at such things. My source is some long forgotten reading and again this is not an area in which I consider myself to be moderately well versed. Anyway, the Catholic Encyclopedia mentions “unfortunate rivalry between the Greek and Latin churches” AND “the schisms of Nestorius and Eutyches” among other things as contributions to the spread of Islam.
Stillsearching, you may have significantly better information on this than I do. The number of different lessons taught by historians probably exceeds the number of historians, since often the same historian will teach different histories during their lifetime. If you would like to correct what I said, I will not debate it with you in fact I would be interested to know what you have in mind.
Charity, TOm
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TOmNossor
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Oh, it is too late to edit post #30, but LDS actually use the KJV of the Bible (without the books called apocrypha by non-Catholics despite the fact these books were in the original KJV). This in my opinion would more applicably be called the Catholic New Testament combined with an Old Testament with a few books removed.
Charity, TOm
Charity, TOm
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Jerusha
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alterserver_07
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The humans of the Church are not perfect, but the Church itself is perfect because the Church is God. All the teachings and all the truths of the Church are perfect, without perfectness, there is misleadence, which there is none in the Church when there are no misunderstandings. Humans are imperfect, but the Church is God and is perfect.
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TOmNossor
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Ok.
God’s church is perfect. The truest earthly manifestation of God’s church on Earth is the CoJCoLDS, but it is not perfect.
Or from a Catholic perspective:
God’s church is perfect. The truest earthly manifestation of God’s church on Earth is the Catholic Church, but it is not perfect.
Charity, TOm
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TOmNossor
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Your link is circular. I do “wanna know.”Wanna know? Just ask.
Charity, TOm
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papist1
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All doctrine on faith and morals in Christ’s one Church he built upon kephas(cephas,rock) is infallible.
His Church holds the fullest Truth available to mankind at this moment in time. The Church has NEVER chnaged a doctrine to mean something different at its root teaching. Doctrines can develop for the times. (ie. internet pornography is addressed now that it is invented and available, but the teaching at the root of not committing adultery is still the same, unchanged. ) Doctrine can develop, but it cannot be changed to mean something different or contrary to the original teaching, such as in the case of black elders in the LDS church.
The one holy catholic and apostolic church has the fullness of the Truth and always has, historically unchanged for almost 2000 yrs and going. The LDS church has made many claims since it;‘s inception in 1829, yet has no evidence of anyone preaching anything of its’ sort or interpretation before this date.
His Church holds the fullest Truth available to mankind at this moment in time. The Church has NEVER chnaged a doctrine to mean something different at its root teaching. Doctrines can develop for the times. (ie. internet pornography is addressed now that it is invented and available, but the teaching at the root of not committing adultery is still the same, unchanged. ) Doctrine can develop, but it cannot be changed to mean something different or contrary to the original teaching, such as in the case of black elders in the LDS church.
The one holy catholic and apostolic church has the fullness of the Truth and always has, historically unchanged for almost 2000 yrs and going. The LDS church has made many claims since it;‘s inception in 1829, yet has no evidence of anyone preaching anything of its’ sort or interpretation before this date.
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tkdnick
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I must say that I find it a little odd that LDS don’t use the complete Bible. For example, there is a pretty good proof for baptism of the dead and spirit prison in Maccabess.
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