Burning Qu'ran!

[joeantony]

Hi,

I risk being looked at as a fanatic and I must admit it worries me too.

The recent issue of Qu’ran about to be burnt by some unknown Church put Catholic Church’s reputation again in great danger as the whole world think of Vatican the moment the word Church is uttered.It is therefore a moral duty of everyone to do everything in their best to prevent this incident.

I just read the news about almost all important heads of states condemning this act and asking US govt to do everything possible to stop it. It seems the country that sent troops halfway across the world to teach “justice and morality” is terribly helpless to act legally against someone who put peace and harmony ( in a sense national security) at risk. I mean, aren’t there any court or lawyers in US ?

But the world seems again raising voice against it not because they believe burning Qu’ran is not Ok, but scared of Muslims. And the Muslim world echoes the sentiment " well you know, Christians are peaceful so you cannot do this, rise up to the expectations, but we are not sure if we can be so peaceful" .

I was wondering of Islam was such a peaceful, forgiving and compassionate religion, what better time than this to prove it?

I do not want the Qu’ran to be burnt, if it happens even after all the efforts to stop it, Can’t Muslims( leaders) say, categorically, that we condemn it and it is an unfortunate act of very few misled people rather than so threatening?

Am I irrational ?

Joe

 

[DaveBj]

As I explained this to a relative of mine, both publicly burning the Qur’an and building an Islamic community center/mosque near ground zero are protected acts under U.S. law, but they are both really bad ideas.

That said, I don’t think that little tiny congregation in Gainesville is going to be equated with the Catholic Church in the court of world opinion.

DaveBj

 

[Newbie2]

Exactly.

Both actions would result in more violence and possibly death. These are inevitable conclusions that any reasonably aware person would have.

How can any “peaceful” religious leader then engage in such activities? Boggles the mind, except when we consider the alternative theory, which I hold, that such is precisely their goal.

Both the Imam and the minister in question are aware that they are purposefully pouring gasoline on the fire of hate. It’s like kicking over a couple of motorcycles outside a Biker gang’s hangout. The results are quite predictable.

Maybe this minister should get together with Fred Phelps and the WBC in Kansas.

 

[Mumbles140]

As of today, it is my understanding that Terry Jones will no longer burn the Koran, but he would like to sit and meet with the Imam behind the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’, so who knows where that will lead…

 

[Cherry5]

Guess who looks good if the Imam decides to move the mosque to avoid violence and death the world over! - Not the minister!

 

[agnes_therese]

Just because something is a really bad idea, doesn’t mean it’s not legal. And that’s a good thing, because criminalizing “bad ideas” would give us bigger problems than we have now. For one thing, who gets to define “bad idea”?

 

[praise_Jesus_1]

What boggles me about the whole case is the reaction by Muslims in other parts of the world. Bomb threats in India on a church that is in no way affiliated with Terry Jones. Rallies in Pakistan with people burning the American flag and chanting death to America. I think when there are these large and non-peaceful reactions to the news of burning the Koran that some may start to wonder about the peacefulness of Islam (or at least of many of its members).

That aside, the burning of the Koran is a really bad idea and not very Christian if you ask me.

 

[JackVk]

I really feel like this is just another one of Westboro Baptist Church’s publicity stunts. If the world would just ignore those idiots, it wouldn’t be an issue. But the liberal media absolutely has to report on isolated incidents like this. As a result, American troops are going to die. And then Fred Phelps will have the blood on his hands, and still protest at the funerals of the troops who will die as a result of what Phelps did.

 

[aicirt]

As of today, it is my understanding that Terry Jones will no longer burn the Koran, but he would like to sit and meet with the Imam behind the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’, so who knows where that will lead…

Not far. Terry Jones is seen as a kook. Believe his church has like 50 people in it. Hopefully, the State Department will put pressure on him to stay out of the mosque fight. That iman has basically threatened the US telling us if he can’t build the mosque, this will give fuel to the extreme radical muslims. Well, it doesn’t take much to get the extreme radical muslims to get their knickers in a twist anyway. If the iman is such a bridge builder, he just might want to consider folding his tent and telling his extreme radical muslims to deal with it. Like “We need to prove to the world that Islam is truly the religion of peace that is why we will leave the site voluntarily and find a new place.” There are about 100 mosques in NYC.

 

[zdon011]

Guess who looks good if the Imam decides to move the mosque to avoid violence and death the world over! - Not the minister!

Aye, just as any compromise in the Holy Land is no thanks to those horrible Zionists.

 

[SwingCorey]

The recent issue of Qu’ran about to be burnt by some unknown Church put Catholic Church’s reputation again in great danger as the whole world think of Vatican the moment the word Church is uttered.It is therefore a moral duty of everyone to do everything in their best to prevent this incident.

I have done my part by exhorting people to pray to Mary, the Queen of Peace, on her birthday for peace among the world’s religions: examiner.com/roman-catholic-in-orlando/the-birth-of-mary-our-jewish-mother

Please forward this on to anyone who should know more about how Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are connected by our Blessed Lady.

 

[SwingCorey]

I really feel like this is just another one of Westboro Baptist Church’s publicity stunts. If the world would just ignore those idiots, it wouldn’t be an issue. But the liberal media absolutely has to report on isolated incidents like this. As a result, American troops are going to die. And then Fred Phelps will have the blood on his hands, and still protest at the funerals of the troops who will die as a result of what Phelps did.

Sadly, Westboro has stated that, if Rev. Jones doesn’t go through with the Quran burning,
ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=Westboro-Baptish-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t

 

[Spencerian]

If I may share my thoughts:

These incidents regarding the planned burning of a Muslim holy book and the mosque approval in New York recall a recent movie, 2012, directed by German native Roland Emmerich (who also made similarly-themed end-of-the-world disaster movies such as Independence Day and The Day After Tomorrow).

In 2012, we see Vatican City destroyed, as well as many other prominent Christian and some non-Christian religious sites. And most of the characters in the movie who “bother” to pray are also annihilated (though not before they are ridiculed in some way for their useless act of praying).

But Emmerich did not show a single mosque being destroyed in that movie.

So why the knee-jerking about the proximity or condemnation of matters Muslim?

Emmerich said it best himself from his own fears. Arab symbol, you would have…a fatwa.”

In short, Emmerich and others show they have little to fear from Christians, so they can ridicule or burn in effigy, symbolically or literally destroy Christians or their buildings or shrines as most Christians won’t lift a finger in retaliation (and nor would we, for that is not the Way).

I’m convinced through faith that most Muslim peoples want the same life as many others: raise a family, have a home, feel comfortable and partake in worship. But the behavior of a few have damaged the credibility of the Islamic faith to the point where something has to give, eventually.

As someone said, it is not illegal to burn a Quran in the U.S. or to place a mosque close to Ground Zero…but it is a remarkably stupid idea given the fear that many have about Muslim extremists–and how many Americans unfairly equate the acts of the extremists to all Muslims as a whole.

Or, in the case of the book burning or Fred Phelps, some wrongly equate the act of a minority of wayward Christians to all Christians.

 

[zdon011]

In 2012, we see Vatican City destroyed, as well as many other prominent Christian and some non-Christian religious sites. And most of the characters in the movie who “bother” to pray are also annihilated (though not before they are ridiculed in some way for their useless act of praying).

But Emmerich did not show a single mosque being destroyed in that movie.

And didn’t a stereotypically ‘wise Buddhist monk’ feature prominently?
Isn’t the whole premise of the movie (apart from scary CGI tsunamis) based on kooky interpretations of a scientifically inaccurate calendar, generated by a religion of which human sacrifice was an integral component? THAT’S the kind of the religion that Emmerich is condoning by implcation.

Moslem eschatology depends on the physical integrity of certain geographical sites. If the Kaaba, Mecca, or Jerusalem were destroyed, key Koranic prophecies would become impossible to fulfil. As Aquinas wrote, Mohammed’s achievements were POLITICAL and his promises to his followers were purely MATERIAL and PHYSICAL.

The Church, on the other hand, is the body of Christ and temple of the Holy Spirit, the resting-place of the eternal Word. Heaven and Earth will be destroyed, but that Word will never pass away.

 

[FOFEBA]

I had a conversation last night with a friend of mine in Karachi. We touched on the violence that they have been seeing lately in Pakistan. He was saddened by how his kids have become inured to the news of people being killed in religious bombings.

The violence is not only directed at Christians, but also other Muslims.

It was not widely covered in the news here, but the entire city of Karachi was shut down for a week by violence recently. This is an urban area with a population of about 18 million, and the financial center of a country of 170 million. It is the fourth largest city in the world.

I have heard now from several Pakistani’s that they are dismayed by their government’s inability to provide basic security for its citizens, or relief efforts for the flood victims.

My friend’s wife is actively organizing private efforts. However, this is also an opportunity for the Taliban to fill the void left by the government

I mention all of this because religious strife, of which burning another faith’s holy writings are a part of, have contributed at least in part to significant instability in places like Pakistan. It is in our practical interest not to fan those flames.

 

[Spencerian]

And didn’t a stereotypically ‘wise Buddhist monk’ feature prominently?
Isn’t the whole premise of the movie (apart from scary CGI tsunamis) based on kooky interpretations of a scientifically inaccurate calendar, generated by a religion of which human sacrifice was an integral component? THAT’S the kind of the religion that Emmerich is condoning by implcation.

Moslem eschatology depends on the physical integrity of certain geographical sites. If the Kaaba, Mecca, or Jerusalem were destroyed, key Koranic prophecies would become impossible to fulfil. As Aquinas wrote, Mohammed’s achievements were POLITICAL and his promises to his followers were purely MATERIAL and PHYSICAL.

The Church, on the other hand, is the body of Christ and temple of the Holy Spirit, the resting-place of the eternal Word. Heaven and Earth will be destroyed, but that Word will never pass away.

When someone properly notes St. Thomas Aquinas, I always want to applaud. The saint’s comments seem to be supported in how some Muslims believe they will be rewarded in heaven (with, for instance, virgins and, thus, the notion of sex) as opposed to the Judeo-Christian view that doesn’t define what we will receive in heaven, except that it will be a very pleasant state. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[zdon011]

When someone properly notes St. Thomas Aquinas, I always want to applaud. The saint’s comments seem to be supported in how some Muslims believe they will be rewarded in heaven (with, for instance, virgins and, thus, the notion of sex) as opposed to the Judeo-Christian view that doesn’t define what we will receive in heaven, except that it will be a very pleasant state. Thanks for the clarification.

You’re welcome, Spencerian
When I first picked up a book by the Angelic Dr (Summa contra gentiles) in my college library a few years ago, I was intrigued to read what he wrote about Mohammed. The section I refer to appears on this link:
opusdeialert.com/st-thomas-aquinas-against-mohammed.htm