Bus firm accused in religion row

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A WOMAN wearing a Muslim headscarf was told by a bus driver to take off her “mask” because it was against the law to wear it on board.

Australian-born mother of two Khadijah Ouararhni-Grech was wearing the pink floral headscarf known as a niqab when she tried to board the HillsBus vehicle at Merrylands Rd, Greystanes.

“As I was stepping on to the bus, the driver said: ‘You can’t get on the bus wearing your mask’,” Ms Ouararhni-Grech told The Daily Telegraph yesterday.

After politely telling him that the niqab was not a mask, he insisted, saying: “Sorry, it is the law.”

She said a number of passengers witnessed the incident.

“I told him it wasn’t the law and he said ‘You have to show me your face’,” she said.

Read the rest in here:
dailytelegraph.com.au/news/bus-firm-accused-of-thinly-veiled-racism/story-e6freuy9-1225754167210

wasalam
(p.s: some of the comments are extremely racist. Some comments compared wearing a helmet or balaclava to wearing the muslim headscarf).
 
I am against her decision of wearing a niqab, it’s Australia not Arabia,niqab is more cultural than religious… so a hijab is ok , but not abaya or niqab… that’s beyond the limits of freedom in the society…

that’s just my personal opinion
 
I do not think this is a legitimate case of anti-Muslim discrimination. There are legitimate public safety concerns involved with allowing unidentifiable people on public transport. As for the “thinly-veiled racism” claimed in the article’s headline, Islam is not a race, and this particular lady is MALTESE - not a people known for their large number of Muslim believers. The idea that she should go to the bus company with her sheikh to “educate” everyone on her beliefs his laughable, as well. It’s a bus ride, not a multicultural event. No one is obliged to learn about your religion so that you can ride the bus, nor should they be; on the contrary, it is YOU who must obey the laws regarding the use of the bus if you wish to ride. Should any person of appropriate office within the churches to which they are relevant attempt to enter a bus for whatever reason wearing their mitre, I would not be surprised or outraged if they were asked to take it off. Believe it or not, these laws that some Muslims decry as specifically or unfairly targeting them generally apply to EVERYBODY. Some Muslims just have an inflated sense of victimization and/or entitlement (that goes for some Christians, too).
 
Hadi said:
I am against her decision of wearing a niqab, it’s Australia not Arabia,niqab is more cultural than religious… so a hijab is ok , but not abaya or niqab… that’s beyond the limits of freedom in the society…

that’s just my personal opinion
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**I agree with hadi without a moments delay. That lady had no right to board the bus and the driver was right in demanding to see her face. Such ladies have been misled by the religious bigots during the last whole century. Some foolish husbands also demand such things from their wives.

There is no such order to cover the face definitely. In the verse of Quran, which orders women to dress modestly and to cover their body parts, there is an exception too in the words “Except what shows by itself”. Those words are there in the verse of the Quran or the near about words if I could not convey properly.

There is no need to misbehave with the normal good way of living in the foreign countries. One has to go along with the normal way of life as much as one can. Specillay, now that the world has become a global village, the bigots have to learn a few lessons about good living.

Here I quote one Hadith of the prophet Muhammad in my own words:

One night the prophet was walking with his wife to see her off back to het home. It was dark. two persons passed by and avoided to come near the prophet and his wife. The two persons passed by quickly.

The prophet called them back and said to them. " Look here. She is my wife (so and so)."

The Muslims apologised and said " Sir we did not have any doubt about you."

The prophet said, “Nevermind. The devil runs in the bloodstream of mankind.”

From the above Hadith, it proves that the covering of the face of ladies is not necessary. The Quran also does not strictly order such thing. So why try to get into trouble.

Just live along peacefully and beware of the terrorists.**
 
dzheremi said:
I do not think this is a legitimate case of anti-Muslim discrimination. There are legitimate public safety concerns involved with allowing unidentifiable people on public transport. As for the “thinly-veiled racism” claimed in the article’s headline, Islam is not a race, and this particular lady is MALTESE - not a people known for their large number of Muslim believers. The idea that she should go to the bus company with her sheikh to “educate” everyone on her beliefs his laughable, as well. It’s a bus ride, not a multicultural event. No one is obliged to learn about your religion so that you can ride the bus, nor should they be; on the contrary, it is YOU who must obey the laws regarding the use of the bus if you wish to ride. Should any person of appropriate office within the churches to which they are relevant attempt to enter a bus for whatever reason wearing their mitre, I would not be surprised or outraged if they were asked to take it off. Believe it or not, these laws that some Muslims decry as specifically or unfairly targeting them generally apply to EVERYBODY. Some Muslims just have an inflated sense of victimization and/or entitlement (that goes for some Christians, too).
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I fully agree with the writing above. Thanks for sharing.
 
muslim women have to cover everything except for their face, feet and hands

wasalam
 
ZAKI said:
Assalam,

A WOMAN wearing a Muslim headscarf was told by a bus driver to take off her “mask” because it was against the law to wear it on board.

Australian-born mother of two Khadijah Ouararhni-Grech was wearing the pink floral headscarf known as a niqab when she tried to board the HillsBus vehicle at Merrylands Rd, Greystanes.

“As I was stepping on to the bus, the driver said: ‘You can’t get on the bus wearing your mask’,” Ms Ouararhni-Grech told The Daily Telegraph yesterday.

After politely telling him that the niqab was not a mask, he insisted, saying: “Sorry, it is the law.”

She said a number of passengers witnessed the incident.

“I told him it wasn’t the law and he said ‘You have to show me your face’,” she said.

Read the rest in here:
dailytelegraph.com.au/news/bus-firm-accused-of-thinly-veiled-racism/story-e6freuy9-1225754167210

wasalam
(p.s: some of the comments are extremely racist. Some comments compared wearing a helmet or balaclava to wearing the muslim headscarf).
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If it’s against the law to ride public transportation with your face covered (with a mask or anything else that hides your identity), then she was breaking the law and the bus driver was correct.

If it’s not illegal to ride public transportation while hiding your identity, it should be.
 
Why do I get the distinct feeling there is more to this story than Zaki is telling?

On the subject of face covering, why are Mahometan terrorists so brave they cover their faces?

You see this all the time on the news.
 
bpbasilphx said:
Why do I get the distinct feeling there is more to this story than Zaki is telling?

On the subject of face covering, why are Mahometan terrorists so brave they cover their faces?

You see this all the time on the news.
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It is called modesty

wasalam
 
I wonder what will happen if it is a life and death situation. Will Muslim men allow non-Muslim male doctor to tend to their wives? And if they do, will they still call the doctor a dog?
 
(name removed by moderator), thank you for sharing this story …

It’s really a shame that we as Muslims have become so laughed at by embarrassing ourselves and others… it’s really sad to see this type of arrogance and lack of manner especially in front of non-Muslims … I wish I was in that office and see him shouting that nonsense…
 
Hadi said:
(name removed by moderator), thank you for sharing this story …

It’s really a shame that we as Muslims have become so laughed at by embarrassing ourselves and others… it’s really sad to see this type of arrogance and lack of manner especially in front of non-Muslims … I wish I was in that office and see him shouting that nonsense…
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Educate them Hadi. It is not a reflection for all Muslims, but for the ignorant Muslims. I don’t see why we can’t live in harmony.
 
ferdie said:
Educate them Hadi. It is not a reflection for all Muslims, but for the ignorant Muslims. I don’t see why we can’t live in harmony.
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we need to have imams who are able to educate people in Friday sermons… they should be born in the country and be well-educated… some imams don’t even speak English… and have zero awareness of what is going on in their community…the best way do it , is to have Islamic institutes that teach and prepare imams… the Zaytuna institute is an example… here is a statement from their website:

*We recognize ignorance as the greatest weapon of the dark forces working in the world and believe that the light of true knowledge is the only weapon to dispel that darkness. This is our struggle, and our efforts are directed at spreading the light and wisdom of prophetic truths everywhere and to all peoples. Our aim is to teach the tools individuals need in order to live lives of guidance and adherence to sacred order and to restore broad-based pluralistic and true scholarship to its proper place as a first priority of Muslims. *
 
ZAKI said:
muslim women have to cover everything except for their face, feet and hands
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Oh good, then the niqab is completely unnecessary and there’s no religious issue here. 🙂
ZAKI said:
It is called modesty
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Actually I think it’s called, “We don’t want to be recognized because if someone finds out who we are our lifespan is about two seconds.”

You don’t see normal Muslim men walking down the streets with balaclavas on. Only at rallies for terrorist groups, paramilitary organizations and videos where unarmed prisoners are executed do you see them wearing face-coverings.
 
Hadi said:
we need to have imams who are able to educate people in Friday sermons… they should be born in the country and be well-educated… some imams don’t even speak English… and have zero awareness of what is going on in their community…
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I agree. Thankfully, the mosque I used to attend in Norfolk, VA had some excellent community leaders (I say that because there was a shortage of imams in the entire area). They were very balanced, educated men and often praised America and taught the Muslims in the community to be peaceful and theologically aware of what their religion practiced and believed.
 
I think it’s rude to hide your face in public. It’s probably illegal too.

2 Corinthians 3:18 - And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
I think it’s rude to hide your face in public. It’s probably illegal too.
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It is in many places, actually. I know certainly in parts of the United States it’s actually state law that you can’t conceal your face in a public place.

BTW, remember that woman (I think in Britain) who wanted her ID taken with her niqab on? That was incredibly ridiculous. The point of an ID is to identify who you are - what’s the point if you’re going to hide 95% of your face? You might as well be wearing a hockey mask. :rolleyes:
 
Well, we’ve learned one thing today kiddies.

No religion, Christian, Muslim, etc. has a monopoly on idiots.
 
That may be the actual law, but from my observations it’s not enforced. I’ve toured london many times and each and every time Ive been on a bus or the underground, Ive been sat with women covered from head to toe, with only a tiny cutout for their eyes. Ive never seen anyone challenge this. On the flip side, in a large store, I was stopped by security at the door and asked to remove my crash helmet, although it was open faced. In the store were several women covered from head to toe. I pointed this out to the security guard, and also pointed out the clothing and headcovering was so lose and extensive there was no way, from a distance, to identify if the person was a male or female, never mind actually see their face, whereas you could see my face clearly. He was just following orders, but I did ask to speak to the mananger and informed him if my helmet was damaged by a shopping cart they would be paying for it as it was they who insisted I remove it and didd not provide a safe place for me to store it while shopping. To flip it back again, large petrol stations would equally insist I remove my helmet before turning on the pumps, whereas the smaller ones, especially in the large city areas staff by asians, never did and there was never a problem. Funny old world.
 
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