"But that's what my priest told me!"

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It is shocking to realize how many lay Catholics have no idea about the Friday penances and requirement for confession. My extended family members (siblings, cousins, etc.) get quite frustrated with me when I say my immediate family (wife and children) cannot eat meat on Fridays–they think we are from a different planet and get quite upset over it. I just smile.
 
I once had someone who used contraception tell me that someone they knew explained to an un-named priest that they wanted to use contraception. The priest went into a safe and pulled out a secret document by Pope Paul that said it was actually ok to contracept. I kid you not and they were dead serious and totally believed this story. That’s how they justified contracepting. :bigyikes:
 
It is shocking to realize how many lay Catholics have no idea about the Friday penances and requirement for confession. My extended family members (siblings, cousins, etc.) get quite frustrated with me when I say my immediate family (wife and children) cannot eat meat on Fridays–they think we are from a different planet and get quite upset over it. I just smile.
Honestly, it’s a really hard concept for people to wrap around, IMO. Because we can do another devotion, it makes it easier to forget for those who don’t take the easy route (to me giving up meat is easier than having to remember to remind my hubby that it’s Friday). Even at our parish, about as orthodox as a parish gets, if we have a Friday K4J event, the moms still forget and order pepperoni pizza.

The day after Thanksgiving was a big “miss” in our house. Oooops. With leftover turkey, Thanksgiving should be moved to Tuesday.
 
Honestly, it’s a really hard concept for people to wrap around, IMO. Because we can do another devotion, it makes it easier to forget for those who don’t take the easy route (to me giving up meat is easier than having to remember to remind my hubby that it’s Friday). Even at our parish, about as orthodox as a parish gets, if we have a Friday K4J event, the moms still forget and order pepperoni pizza.

The day after Thanksgiving was a big “miss” in our house. Oooops. With leftover turkey, Thanksgiving should be moved to Tuesday.
Whenever I have a “miss” (which happens more often than it should :o ) I pray the Stations–which is probably better for me! 😃
 
Honestly, it’s a really hard concept for people to wrap around, IMO. Because we can do another devotion, it makes it easier to forget for those who don’t take the easy route (to me giving up meat is easier than having to remember to remind my hubby that it’s Friday). Even at our parish, about as orthodox as a parish gets, if we have a Friday K4J event, the moms still forget and order pepperoni pizza.

The day after Thanksgiving was a big “miss” in our house. Oooops. With leftover turkey, Thanksgiving should be moved to Tuesday.
Not eating meat on Fridays used to be part of the fabric of our culture, restaurants even put a lot of fish on their Friday menus. It amazes how many many things are NOT taught anymore and then current Catholics get really perplexed when you tell them the rule still exists, some are too young to know about the rule. Sad.
 
Not eating meat on Fridays used to be part of the fabric of our culture, restaurants even put a lot of fish on their Friday menus. It amazes how many many things are NOT taught anymore and then current Catholics get really perplexed when you tell them the rule still exists, some are too young to know about the rule. Sad.
And honestly, some refuse to believe it, such as D is talking about.
My sisters are these type of Catholics. One refuses to even look into an annulment for herself or her husband of 15 years.
The other is a “born again” lesbian after her two husbands and four children.
Both were told “we judge ourselves” when we die so they are guilt free going to communion.

I’m sending the lesbian a copy of the TLM for Christmas from her Goddaughter (my oldest daughter). The other one, I have offered to help fill out paperwork, and get the ball started for her.
And in the meantime, I pray to St. Monica.

I do remember being told that all the rules changed after VII. More than that, we were left on our own. It’s a shame.
 
And honestly, some refuse to believe it, such as D is talking about.
My sisters are these type of Catholics. One refuses to even look into an annulment for herself or her husband of 15 years.
The other is a “born again” lesbian after her two husbands and four children.
Both were told “we judge ourselves” when we die so they are guilt free going to communion.

I’m sending the lesbian a copy of the TLM for Christmas from her Goddaughter (my oldest daughter). The other one, I have offered to help fill out paperwork, and get the ball started for her.
And in the meantime, I pray to St. Monica.

I do remember being told that all the rules changed after VII. More than that, we were left on our own. It’s a shame.
I have similar situations with my family and it breaks my heart because my parents raised 10 kids as strong Catholics and of the 10 kids I am the only regular practicer of the faith (no bragging or boasting, just a sad fact of life for our family).

I recently got into a fairly heated conversation about not eating meat on Fridays, and the heat came from others because they really were bothered by the practice.
 
It is shocking to realize how many lay Catholics have no idea about the Friday penances and requirement for confession. My extended family members (siblings, cousins, etc.) get quite frustrated with me when I say my immediate family (wife and children) cannot eat meat on Fridays–they think we are from a different planet and get quite upset over it. I just smile.
It actually goers much deeper than that. According to the Church all CCD and RCIA programs MUST be Scripturally based. Now that is a very nebulous term, but what many CCD and RCIA programs have decided that it means Scripture only or as it is more commonly known Sola Scriptura. If you check out the catechisis at these type of programs Catholic doctrine is almost never mentioned except in passing and usually in some deroguetory fashion, as in “well in the old days they used to do this but now we know better”

Until we manage somehow to stop the terrible catechisis or what passes for catechisis these days the problem will never be solved.

Oh as an example, in a recent RCIA Class here in San Diego Eucharistic Adoration was described as, I kid you not, A pre Vatican II practice that effectively denied the presence of Christ in the community by focusing on the adoration of a consecrated host as being the physical presence of Christ. The same instructor described the Rosary as an old time devotion that was seldom practiced anymore.

It really isn’t the students fault when they are taught this sort of garbage by people who are supposed to know what they are talking about.
 
It actually goers much deeper than that. According to the Church all CCD and RCIA programs MUST be Scripturally based. Now that is a very nebulous term, but what many CCD and RCIA programs have decided that it means Scripture only or as it is more commonly known Sola Scriptura. If you check out the catechisis at these type of programs Catholic doctrine is almost never mentioned except in passing and usually in some deroguetory fashion, as in “well in the old days they used to do this but now we know better”

Until we manage somehow to stop the terrible catechisis or what passes for catechisis these days the problem will never be solved.

Oh as an example, in a recent RCIA Class here in San Diego Eucharistic Adoration was described as, I kid you not, A pre Vatican II practice that effectively denied the presence of Christ in the community by focusing on the adoration of a consecrated host as being the physical presence of Christ. The same instructor described the Rosary as an old time devotion that was seldom practiced anymore.

It really isn’t the students fault when they are taught this sort of garbage by people who are supposed to know what they are talking about.
Very true, very sad and I agree that it is NOT the student’s fault–they have not been taught the truth.
 
Oh as an example, in a recent RCIA Class here in San Diego Eucharistic Adoration was described as, I kid you not, A pre Vatican II practice that effectively denied the presence of Christ in the community by focusing on the adoration of a consecrated host as being the physical presence of Christ. The same instructor described the Rosary as an old time devotion that was seldom practiced anymore.
:eek:
 
Honestly, it’s a really hard concept for people to wrap around, IMO. Because we can do another devotion, it makes it easier to forget for those who don’t take the easy route (to me giving up meat is easier than having to remember to remind my hubby that it’s Friday). Even at our parish, about as orthodox as a parish gets, if we have a Friday K4J event, the moms still forget and order pepperoni pizza.

The day after Thanksgiving was a big “miss” in our house. Oooops. With leftover turkey, Thanksgiving should be moved to Tuesday.
Whenever I have a “miss” (which happens more often than it should :o ) I pray the Stations–which is probably better for me! 😃
 
Our priest doesn’t think the Sunday obligation is mandatory. He doesn’t think any of the sexual sins are mortal and he therefore thinks everyone should go to communion at all times. Great way to catechize the few Catholic students we have and he wonders why there is less church attendance among students now and why the students that are practicing Catholics don’t care for him. I miss the old priest. I was lucky enough to start attending the university last year and had a much better moral guidance from not just the priest but faithful Catholics in the community as well. If I came to the school this year I would have very different beliefs and values in regards to Catholicism.
 
It is shocking to realize how many lay Catholics have no idea about the Friday penances and requirement for confession. My extended family members (siblings, cousins, etc.) get quite frustrated with me when I say my immediate family (wife and children) cannot eat meat on Fridays–they think we are from a different planet and get quite upset over it. I just smile.
To be fair, I really don’t think that we are taught to do this. I had no idea that I was supposed to do some sort of fasting or abstain from anything until I read it a few months ago on a thread on CA!
 
To be fair, I really don’t think that we are taught to do this. I had no idea that I was supposed to do some sort of fasting or abstain from anything until I read it a few months ago on a thread on CA!
No you probably wern’t if you grew up in the Post Vatican II atmosphere where teaching the doctrine of the faith has been so seriously neglected or ignored completely.
 
To be fair, I really don’t think that we are taught to do this. I had no idea that I was supposed to do some sort of fasting or abstain from anything until I read it a few months ago on a thread on CA!
Yes, that is my point. There are many things Catholics are not aware of simply because they were never taught properly. It is a sad shame that so many people no so little.
 
They’re from the Space ship parish aren’t they? You know the one, the “Mime Stations of the Cross” on Good Friday? :rolleyes:

Look at him when he spouts something stupid and ask him if he likes being a heretic or if he’s just to dumb to know the difference?

I’m not helping here am I? :cool:

Oh, and tell him that if he and the priest will be meeting up in a place where it’s alway warm, if you get my drift.
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It is shocking to realize how many lay Catholics have no idea about the Friday penances and requirement for confession. My extended family members (siblings, cousins, etc.) get quite frustrated with me when I say my immediate family (wife and children) cannot eat meat on Fridays–they think we are from a different planet and get quite upset over it. I just smile.
Jimmy Akin seems to disagree with you…catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0501bt.asp
 
Jimmy Akin seems to disagree with you…catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0501bt.asp
I really love and respect Jimmy Aking, yet in this case he is showing his human fallibility. Here are the canons and the facts of the matter (please read all of this post):

Canon 1249 “All Christ’s faithful are obliged by divine law, each in his or her own way, to do penance. However, so that all may be joined together in a certain common practice of penance, days of penance are prescribed. On these days the faithful are in a special manner to devote themselves to prayer, to engage in works of piety and charity, and to deny themselves, by fulfilling their obligations more faithfully and especially by observing the fast and abstinence which the following canons prescribe.”

Canon 1250 “All Fridays throughout the year and the time of Lent are penitential days and times throughout the universal Church.”

Canon 1251 “Abstinence from eating meat or another food according to the prescriptions of the conference of bishops is to be observed on Fridays throughout the year unless they are solemnities; abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on the Friday of the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Canon 1252 “The law of abstinence binds those who have completed their fourteenth year.”

Canon 1253 “The Episcopal Conference can determine more particular ways in which fasting and abstinence are to be observed. In place of abstinence or fasting it can substitute, in whole or in part, other forms of penance, especially works of charity and exercises of piety.”

Regarding the United States:

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) , then known as the National Conference of Catholic Bishops, stated in its Pastoral Statement On Penance and Abstinence, November 18, 1966, stated regarding non-Lenten Fridays:

“… the Catholic bishops of the United States, far from downgrading the traditional penitential observance of Friday, and motivated precisely by the desire to give the spirit of penance greater vitality, especially on Fridays, the day that Jesus died, urge our Catholic people henceforth to be guided by the following norms:
  1. Friday itself remains a special day of penitential observance throughout the year, a time when those who seek perfection will be mindful of their personal sins and the sins of mankind which they are called upon to help expiate in union with Christ Crucified;
  2. Friday should be in each week something of what Lent is in the entire year. For this reason we urge all to prepare for that weekly Easter that comes with each Sunday **be freely making of every Friday a day of self-denial and mortification **in prayerful remembrance of the passion of Jesus Christ;
  3. Among the works of voluntary self-denial and personal penance which we especially commend to our people for the future observance of Friday, even though we hereby terminate the traditional law of abstinence as binding under pain of sin, as the sole prescribed means of observing Friday, we give first place to abstinence from flesh meat. We do so in the hope that the Catholic community will ordinarily continue to abstain from meat by free choice as formerly we did in obedience to Church law. Our expectation is based on the following considerations;
a. We shall thus freely and out of love for Christ Crucified show our solidarity with the generations of believers to whom this practice frequently became, especially in times of persecution and of great poverty, no mean evidence of fidelity in Christ and his Church.

b. We shall thus also remind ourselves that as Christians, although immersed in the world and sharing its life, we must preserve a saving and necessary difference from the spirit of the world. Our deliberate, personal abstinence from meat, more especially because no longer required by law, will be an outward sign of inward spiritual values that we cherish.”​

Therefore, Catholics are still supposed to do penance on Fridays, though not doing it is no longer bound under the pain of sin, and the preferred method of penance is abstinence from eating meat, though we are free to choose some other form of penance. Jimmy is simply mistaken on this one. 🙂
 
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