But the Question is: Do Most Christians Go to Hell?

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It seems that some poeple posting here have some distorted ideas about other posters’ motives in saying things that indicate belief that few will make it to Heaven.

As if some of us actually WANT to believe it… ?

Jesus appeared to one woman years ago and told her to
seek truth more than anything (someting to that effect).
I don’t know about anyone else but all i am interested in is the truth… whatever that may be.

I think that could be said about most people on this forum…

So please do us all a favor and do not assume bad motives… :whacky: Some of the Posts here sound as though their authors are doing just that…
 
TMC said:
Nothing. They are declared saints because of the Church’s confidence that they are in Heaven, not because they were great theologians. More weight should be given to the Doctors of the Church, but even they are not absolutely authoritative on everything.
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Augustine is a Doctor of the Church. In City of God he refutes how a body can burn and burn for all eternity. He argues it most certainly can burn, rejuvinate, then burn again, over and over for all eternity. He further argues most go there.

I don’t mean, in any way to attempt to be dramatic or argumentative. However I read the City of God (alot of it not all of it). This subject distresses me.
 
Mijoy2 said:
Augustine is a Doctor of the Church. In City of God he refutes how a body can burn and burn for all eternity. He argues it most certainly can burn, rejuvinate, then burn again, over and over for all eternity. He further argues most go there.

I don’t mean, in any way to attempt to be dramatic or argumentative. However I read the City of God (alot of it not all of it). This subject distresses me.
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On the flip side. St. Teresa of Avila was given a vision of hell and described it in her writings.
 
The more I read threads like this and here talks like this on the faith.

The more I am convinced the Catholic Church and Christianity in general is built fear of eternal torment alone.

An the more I am convinced I made a big mistake by joining… :crying:
 
Dear Cyber-friend,

It might help to take custody of your eyes and be selective what you read. :yup: This topic was not geared to lift your heart in hope, or trust in God’s infinite goodness and mercy. Many statements were totally off the wall and not truly the essence of our faith. Fill your mind and heart with beauty and scavage not into the pit until you are strong enough to deal with the refuse you find there. At that point you would read only as an apologist, for otherwise, there would be no worthy incentive to do so.

There is an abundant amount of good literature to open your mind and help you see the splendor and magnificent truth of being a Catholic. I’ll pray that God leads you to what you most need to hear at this moment. :console:
 
Joysong said:
Dear Cyber-friend,

It might help to take custody of your eyes and be selective what you read. :yup: This topic was not geared to lift your heart in hope, or trust in God’s infinite goodness and mercy. Many statements were totally off the wall and not truly the essence of our faith. Fill your mind and heart with beauty and scavage not into the pit until you are strong enough to deal with the refuse you find there. At that point you would read only as an apologist, for otherwise, there would be no worthy incentive to do so.

There is an abundant amount of good literature to open your mind and help you see the splendor and magnificent truth of being a Catholic. I’ll pray that God leads you to what you most need to hear at this moment. :console:
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I want to believe what you posted here Joysong. I agree whole-heartedly that there is up-lifting and magnificient literature. But, this fact doesn’t address this issue. It keeps coming back to haunt me as I see loved one’s breaking every Catholic rule in the book.
 
Joysong said:
Dear Cyber-friend,

It might help to take custody of your eyes and be selective what you read. :yup: This topic was not geared to lift your heart in hope, or trust in God’s infinite goodness and mercy. Many statements were totally off the wall and not truly the essence of our faith. Fill your mind and heart with beauty and scavage not into the pit until you are strong enough to deal with the refuse you find there. At that point you would read only as an apologist, for otherwise, there would be no worthy incentive to do so.

There is an abundant amount of good literature to open your mind and help you see the splendor and magnificent truth of being a Catholic. I’ll pray that God leads you to what you most need to hear at this moment. :console:
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Well said. Hold to the Faith, friend, and do not be discouraged.
 
Contramundum,

Did you overlook that my post was directed to “Distracted” with respect to her “raqa” comment to me? I was responding to her alone, not anything at all that you posted.

Hope this clarifies things.
 
This might be a good place to respond a little more fully to Cyberwolf’s last post. I just watched a presentation on EWTN tonight about the three apostles of our time who shared the urgency of promoting God’s Divine Mercy; i.e., St. Faustina, St. Maximillian Kolbe, and (soon to be saint) Pope John Paul II. Each of them lived through the atrocities of Hitler’s evils and were dramatically affected by them.

The program mentioned an encyclical Pope John Paul wrote called “Rich in Mercy” and attributed it to the influence of St. Faustina, in part. Here is a beautiful section of that encyclical:
VII. 13. Mercy in itself, as a perfection of the infinite God, is also infinite. Also infinite therefore and inexhaustible is the Father’s readiness to receive the prodigal children who return to His home. Infinite are the readiness and power of forgiveness which flow continually from the marvelous value of the sacrifice of the Son. No human sin can prevail over this power or even limit it. On the part of man only a lack of good will can limit it, a lack of readiness to be converted and to repent, in other words persistence in obstinacy, opposing grace and truth, especially in the face of the witness of the cross and resurrection of Christ.
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Therefore, the Church professes and proclaims conversion. Conversion to God always consists in discovering His mercy, that is, in discovering that love which is patient and kind as only the Creator and Father can be; the love to which the “God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” is faithful to the uttermost consequences in the history of His covenant with man; even to the cross and to the death and resurrection of the Son. Conversion to God is always the fruit of the rediscovery of this Father, who is rich in mercy.
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If anyone who read this thread or some of the others on this forum that portrays God as the “gotcha!” judge who sits in waiting to hurl his children to hell, maybe reading this encyclical and undertaking a deeper study of the gospels will correct that unhealthy servile fear.

Carole
 
distracted said:
According to several saints/doctors of the Church, even most Christians do not make it to Heaven or even to Purgatory. And the site, www.SpiritLessons.com refutes entirely the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine (Mary Baxter’s story, etc…). So please, everyone, do not fool yourself that “God is mercifiul and will let virtually everyone into Heaven”. Yes, He is merciful, but only toward those who love Him with all their hearts and hate sin about as much as He does…

There is only one reason people don’t go to Heaven: that old-fashioned-virtually-unmentioned-seemingly obsolete-word:

Sin.

It is sin and its awful effects - not God - that shuts the door of Heaven on our souls…

We need not only to be f****orgiven, but to be purified once we are forgiven…
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I have read many writings by saints that are very quick to speak of the fewness of those who are saved (they being excepted of course :rolleyes: )
I suggest you read St Therese of Lisiuex (sp??) - personally I think she’s the only saint who knew what she was talking about. The others just give me headaches :ouch:

We have to be purified after were forgiven you say? - Is this hard? No. It is easy if your little - abandoned to God’s Love you take His sanctity as your own, He clothes you in His own righteousness and all your sins are purified and extinguished like a drop of water in a raging furnace 😛 Purification perfect and over, in a single second - in a flash - for a thousand years are like a single moment to God.

I’m not a christian and I know this - surely you do?

Love God & Trust God - its really that simple 👍
 
distracted said:
According to several saints/doctors of the Church, even most Christians do not make it to Heaven or even to Purgatory. And the site, www.SpiritLessons.com refutes entirely the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine (Mary Baxter’s story, etc…). So please, everyone, do not fool yourself that “God is mercifiul and will let virtually everyone into Heaven”. Yes, He is merciful, but only toward those who love Him with all their hearts and hate sin about as much as He does…

There is only one reason people don’t go to Heaven: that old-fashioned-virtually-unmentioned-seemingly obsolete-word:

Sin.

It is sin and its awful effects - not God - that shuts the door of Heaven on our souls…

We need not only to be f****orgiven, but to be purified once we are forgiven…
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Maybe, when you get to be my age, you wont even be tempted to sin anymore, so heaven is near, please God.

Seriously, I think it is pure nonesense to believe that Christians will not get to their goal of heaven. God gives sufficient grace to everyone to be saved. Cooperating with that grace will lead us to heaven.

peace
 
Dear Contramundum (or is it "Distracted?)

I think I see what happened. You forgot which user name you were logged in as, and answered me with the wrong one. The ‘handwriting’ in other posts is distinctively the same as Distracted’s, and leads me to believe this is also your second identity; i.e., Distracted. So is the philosophy, by the way.

This could be an issue of sock puppetry.
 
Joysong said:
Dear Contramundum (or is it "Distracted?)

I think I see what happened. You forgot which user name you were logged in as, and answered me with the wrong one. The ‘handwriting’ in other posts is distinctively the same as Distracted’s, and leads me to believe this is also your second identity; i.e., Distracted. So is the philosophy, by the way.

This could be an issue of sock puppetry.
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I think you have hit the nail on the head Joysong and I don’t like to think I am being deceived when I make replies to members and they are using more than one identity.

I would like to think this isn’t the case, but it would seem that in this case this may be what is happening.

I hope against all hope that someone can tell me this isn’t the way of it.

In the Living Prayer of my life
 
A Christian without hope in God’s mercy is a sorry sight indeed for all of Christianity lives in hope of their Saviour, Christ Jesus.

This thread is an affront to Christian hope.

In the Living Prayer of my life
 
Joysong said:
Dear Contramundum (or is it "Distracted?)

I think I see what happened. You forgot which user name you were logged in as, and answered me with the wrong one. The ‘handwriting’ in other posts is distinctively the same as Distracted’s, and leads me to believe this is also your second identity; i.e., Distracted. So is the philosophy, by the way.

This could be an issue of sock puppetry.
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This morning before going to 9:15 Mass, for no reason I was thinking to myself what if someone on this forum uses two different screen names and support himself or herself by pretending they are from different sources. How inappropriate and misleading it will be!

I don’t know why out of the blue I thought about this. Then immediately after this thought,I read your post. I just couldn’t believe it!

Could this forum, use programming logic to trace any multiple users from the same computer? Yes, there is a way to do so.
Of course, there is no way to trace if the user logon two different computers with two screen names. But if the person only has one computer and register with two different names, it can certainly be traced out.

Could something be done here so we will have a cleaner house?

“There is nothing hidden won’t be revealed.”
 
InLight247 said:
This morning before going to 9:15 Mass, for no reason I was thinking to myself what if someone on this forum uses two different screen names and support himself or herself by pretending they are from different sources. How inappropriate and misleading it will be!

I don’t know why out of the blue I thought about this. Then immediately after this thought,I read your post. I just couldn’t believe it!

Could this forum, use programming logic to trace any multiple users from the same computer? Yes, there is a way to do so.
Of course, there is no way to trace if the user logon two different computers with two screen names. But if the person only has one computer and register with two different names, it can certainly be traced out.

Could something be done here so we will have a cleaner house?

“There is nothing hidden won’t be revealed.”
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I think things like will always happen in high-tech communication. As soon as you find a fixsomeone will find a way around the fix.

Keep in mind it is just a forum. I’d recommend just rolling with the punches and not worrying about it.
 
blessedstar said:
A Christian without hope in God’s mercy is a sorry sight indeed for all of Christianity lives in hope of their Saviour, Christ Jesus.

This thread is an affront to Christian hope.

In the Living Prayer of my life
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Part of me wants to believe this issue is overstated and should not be of a deep, or paramount concern. Pope John Paul II wrote about hell and how we shouldn’t despair.

However it is other reputable sources that speak otherwise that my mind keeps revisiting. Augustine, Don Bosco, Saint Faustina, the children of Fatima and many more.

The balance is difficult to discern. I’d like to see the more popular radio/tv Catholic programming (like Catholic Answers Live and EWTN programming) confront this issue head on as a primary show topic.
 
Mijoy,
However it is other reputable sources that speak otherwise that my mind keeps revisiting. Augustine, Don Bosco, Saint Faustina, the children of Fatima and many more.
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Yes, their message was not wrong for the times in which it was delivered. Remember that Fatima was warning about Communism and Russia’s errors, and of course, we witnessed the tragedy of WWII with Hitler’s evils. No doubt many were in danger of being lost and a dire message had to be delivered.

The Church is ongoing and changes Her message to fit the times, not that She will ever speak error. God Himself is the author of revelation, and has chosen to send the message of mercy for our times. This has been proven authentic and the Church approved the devotion and proclaimed Sunday after Easter as Divine Mercy Sunday.

We need to go with the Church’s current teachings, especially since God Himself has revealed this message supernaturally. To dwell on previous messages outside our milennium is to miss God’s speaking to us here and now.

You struggled many monthos ago with your faith and received a lot of helpful guidance from many concerned members. Don’t step backwards through some untimely posts from naysayers and begin to doubt all over again. Thank God along with us who rejoice with you, and concentrate on the message it has pleased God to make known to us in our day.
 
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