Buying travel books that look favorably on homosexuality?

[yellowbird]

Why is one group morally licit and the other not!?

That shows that you do not have a good grasp on what the Church teaches.
It also smacks of relativism. One is NOT the same as the other. That is ludacris to think so.

You also do not have a good grasp on what homosexual cruises would consist of. It is not “Fellowship” or like minded individuals trying to defeat their sin we are talking about.

The gay community has done a wonderful job of sanitizing the reality of the lifestyle. We picture a funny person on a sitcom we like. Or a person that picked out a great wedding dress. They have done this with such success that when some people hear about a “gaycation” or a gay cruise we picture the couple from Modern Family cracking witty funny jokes with Jack from “Will and Grace” and helping some sassy bride find a dress. All while forgetting the whole purpose is to find or be with other people who intend to live an unholy lifestyle with unholy and unsanitary actions (I’m sorry if that is uncomfortable but the success of the sanitation of the media on the homosexual lifestyle makes it sadly necessary to point out that a spade is indeed a spade.)
The actual gay lifestyle of these cruises or gay bars is dark, seedy, messy, dangerous, unhealthy, and most importantly satanic in as far as it is directly opposed to God.

You talk is if gays have a monopoly on sexual sins. Spend spring break in Cancun or South Padre Island and you’ll witness the same things you’ve described here. The mechanics may not be the same - but the sin is the same and every bit as unsanitary, dark, seedy, messy, dangerous, unheathy and most importantly directly oposed to God. Can’t wait for Spring Break? Not a problem - check out a large public college campus. There’s all sorts of hetero unholiness going on there.

Make no mistake - my point is that BOTH groups sin - homosexuals and heterosexuals. BOTH have members who live unholy lives. So don’t be tossing stones across the fence at the gay community - you’re going to need those stones for the people in our own backyard.

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[yellowbird]

Is heterosexuality a disordered inclination?
So, “gay” bars are acceptable in your understanding of morality?

Using the word “gay” to identify oneself involves a political agenda. Having a homosexual inclination is not a sin, although the inclination is not ordered correctly.

If you want to pretend “gay” culture is innocuous you are free to do so.

Homosexuality is a disordered inclination - but so is birth control, and mastrubation both of which the VAST majority of Catholics are guilty of at one time or another yet the rest of us manage to refrain from being disgusted by them.

Why the double standard?

 

[yellowbird]

Why is one group morally licit and the other not!?

That shows that you do not have a good grasp on what the Church teaches.
It also smacks of relativism. One is NOT the same as the other. That is ludacris to think so.

 

[Petergee]

Homosexuality is a disordered inclination - but so is birth control, and mastrubation both of which the VAST majority of Catholics are guilty of at one time or another yet the rest of us manage to refrain from being disgusted by them.

Why the double standard?

Who says we are not disgusted by them?

 

[Moore11]

You talk is if gays have a monopoly on sexual sins. Spend spring break in Cancun or South Padre Island and you’ll witness the same things you’ve described here. The mechanics may not be the same - but the sin is the same and every bit as unsanitary, dark, seedy, messy, dangerous, unheathy and most importantly directly opposed to God. Can’t wait for Spring Break? Not a problem - check out a large public college campus. There’s all sorts of hetero unholiness going on there.

Make no mistake - my point is that BOTH groups sin - homosexuals and heterosexuals. BOTH have members who live unholy lives. So don’t be tossing stones across the fence at the gay community - you’re going to need those stones for the people in our own backyard.

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I am so glad you posted this. You are in one way 100 percent correct. But that is why your position is so illogical.
Lets take the hetero sin of adultery and homosexuality. Both damnable sins yes? Well what if a travel guide or bar, or cruise was set up to specifically cater to people who wanted to cheat, or what if there were bars that catered to people that just wanted to masturbate? (Actually "adult video stores do just that.) or any other immoral or sexual thing you could think of?
See, I responded to your idea of “what is the moral difference between a CA cruise and a homosexual cruise?” But you are right, homosexuality is not the only sin out there. So I ask you what is the difference between a CA cruise and an abortion cruise or an adultery cruise or mike’s old fashioned tavern and sports pub and a bar that is specifically designed to help people cheat?
This is where the media has brainwashed you. You would (I hope) not ever be caught dead in a masturbation bar, or on a cheater’s cruise, or an underage “bride’s” mixer. But if one attaches the word “gay” to the sin all of the sudden we have to think how sophisticated it is and how tolerant we are.
And I think you have the wrong idea about Catholics. We DO abhor all sins. We do speak out against any sin and wrongdoing the difference is that with sins like “homosexual acts” and abortion, and birth control actually have SUPPORTERS all over.
Please rest assured that if there was a large, loud and media backed support for a group of people who wanted to masturbate in public that Catholics like me would shout just as loud as we do about the homosexual agenda being pushed down our throat.
If Rick Steve’s guides included pages on where to masturbate in Rome, then I suppose you would see the same type of outrage. I would hope you would be outraged as well. That is why you are not logical about this.

Just because someones dad is an alcoholic does not mean that the dad cannot tell the person to not use cocaine. By that I mean that just because Catholics and all humans struggle with sin does not mean that we should be impotent to speak out against and not be assaulted with the in your face homosexual agenda.

Now some on here may be quite ignorant or unaware of what the homosexual lifestyle consists of, what happens at a gay bar, or what a “gaycation” is. But I gather from your posts that you, like me, are quite aware of how seedy this can be. And as you point out there are hetero sexual seedy things as well. I dont want to get into a "who has done what battle with you but i assure you Cancun, gay bars, parties, other things are all stuff I was a part of before I was serious about God and my faith. So the stay at home homeschooling Traditional Catholic dad of 4 who speaks to you now used to be the party all night, try to pick up chicks at the gay bar because they think it is "safe: to grind with any person there…
Lets not kid ourselves about what the reality of the Gay lifestyle is or any satanic lifestyle.

 

[Moore11]

Homosexuality is a disordered inclination - but so is birth control, and mastrubation both of which the VAST majority of Catholics are guilty of at one time or another yet the rest of us manage to refrain from being disgusted by them.

Why the double standard?

The double standard is yours.

You would probably lead the parade in advising someone against buying a travel guide that details the best places to masturbate or talk with other people who define themselves by their masturbation. You would (hopefully) be outraged at a bar specifically designed to cater to date rape drug users. But yet you are the one making the argument that gay promoting events are just as moral as Catholic promoting events.
Double standard. I’ll say!!

It really is such a double standard. Gays identify themselves by their sexual disorder. Nobody says, yup, there goes my masturbating brother, or Hey, my sister is an adulterer and I support her and march in the adulterer parade. I’m going to hang out at the pedophile bar tonight…

 

[fix]

Homosexuality is a disordered inclination - but so is birth control, and mastrubation both of which the VAST majority of Catholics are guilty of at one time or another yet the rest of us manage to refrain from being disgusted by them.

An inclination is not the same as a sinful action. Why bring up two intrinsically wrong actions and compare it to an inclination? What does disgust have to do with our conversation?

Why the double standard?

There is none.

 

[fix]

The double standard is yours.

You would probably lead the parade in advising someone against buying a travel guide that details the best places to masturbate or talk with other people who define themselves by their masturbation. You would (hopefully) be outraged at a bar specifically designed to cater to date rape drug users. But yet you are the one making the argument that gay promoting events are just as moral as Catholic promoting events.
Double standard. I’ll say!!

It really is such a double standard. Gays identify themselves by their sexual disorder. Nobody says, yup, there goes my masturbating brother, or Hey, my sister is an adulterer and I support her and march in the adulterer parade. I’m going to hang out at the pedophile bar tonight…

This is really the point.

 

[Kaninchen]

Well, bars may well encourage drunkenness (and adultery), restaurants may certainly encourage gluttony, comfortable hotels may bring out slothfulness, art galleries could have naughty pictures (and queueing for hours to get in might bring out feelings of wrath) so it’s probably best not to travel at all and then you won’t need guide books anyway.

 

[samuel_d]

Would you boycott a pharmacy because it sells contraception

Huhm, I know a Pharmasist that was working for close to minimum wage for years because the pharmacy she used to work at would not allow her to work anymore if she would not sell/recomend or explain how to use contreception to the customers. Now she got layed off and does not have a job even though she has all that she needs to work as a pharmacist.

That is a courageous witness to our faith!

 

[samuel_d]

Homosexuality is a disordered inclination - but so is birth control…

Why the double standard?

Catholics don’t support homosexual actions (living unchaste with other same sex) as much as they don’t support all those other immoralities that straight people may have. We never said that it’s more okay to use contraception pills than to have same sex unchaste relations with others (i am not saying that all the homosexual’s do it, but we should not encourage them to think it’s okay). We do not say one is better than the other. Sin is sin. The reason homosexual activity is discussed more than other’s is because of the definition of marriage we are concerned about loosing. The title of this thread is not: Buying travel books that look favourably on contraception.

 

[Petergee]

Catholics don’t support homosexual actions (living unchaste with other same sex) as much as they don’t support all those other immoralities that straight people may have. We never said that it’s more okay to use contraception pills than to have same sex unchaste relations with others (i am not saying that all the homosexual’s do it, but we should not encourage them to think it’s okay). We do not say one is better than the other. Sin is sin.

Both of them are grave sins and neither is ever OK. but all sins are not equal.

Objectively speaking homosexual actions are an even graver abuse of sexuality than contracepting is, because the former is not only intrinsically sterile (whilst it’s possible the attempt at contraception might fail) but also it flatly contradicts the other purpose of sexuality as well, the union of the two sexes.

Subjectively however, depending on the personal circumstances (such as the influences on a person from other people, personal habits and inclinations etc.) an individual who contracepts may be committing a worse mortal sin than another individual who commits a homosexual act.

The reason homosexual activity is discussed more than other’s is because of the definition of marriage we are concerned about loosing. The title of this thread is not: Buying travel books that look favourably on contraception.

Similarly I think that the acceptance/toleration of contraception by the overwhelming majority in most western countries is an even graver threat to the definition of marriage, and in fact has led directly to the current preposterous push for so-called same-sex “marriage”. After all if a man and a woman can get “married” just because “they love each other”, why not two men or two women who love each other?

 

[yellowbird]

Similarly I think that the acceptance/toleration of contraception by the overwhelming majority in most western countries is an even graver threat to the definition of marriage, and in fact has led directly to the current preposterous push for so-called same-sex “marriage”. After all if a man and a woman can get “married” just because “they love each other”, why not two men or two women who love each other?

Well this is a moment I thought would never happen! You’ve finally posted something that I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[stellina]

To get back to the original topic, I’ve worked in the travel industry and I can say that even as recently as 10-12 years ago, there was little or no mention of homosexual travel in the major guidebooks. The market is dominated by 2 companies, Fodor’s and Frommer’s, and along with the rest of the travel industry, they perceived an opportunity to cash in on the gay business. As the others have said, they’re looking to make as much money as possible off as many people as possible because that’s their business. However, I’ll also say that some of them have gone overboard. I’ve noticed that for one of the big 2, practically all of the European destinations are covered by the same obviously gay couple who spend more time on the bars & don’t exactly shy away from snide anti-Catholic commentary.

Personally, I find websites like Virtual Tourist much more useful than guidebooks, which are pretty much outdated as soon as they hit the shelves. If you’re looking for a true guide to the sights, I recommend the DK Eyewitness series - they stick to covering the top attractions instead of the social scene and they have nice photos.