By this verses Allah/God is ONE not 2 not 3 or not thousand

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Assalaam O Alaikyum:)!

Can anyone post triple of verses for me. Those are Mark 12:29, Luke 11:20 and last but not least Matthew 12:28. Than I will start my point of view towards these verses and I would like to know from you all christian and catholic what exactly these verses means to you. Thank You!
 
9 members saw my thread and nobody bother to post. GGGGGGGGGGGGGG
 
Personally, I wish you would just get to the point in your OP rather than dragging it out as you do. Why won’t you post the indicated verses yourself if you would like to discuss them? :confused:

I’m not even sure where you’re going with this one. There is only One God. This is what Christians believe. 🤷 What else would you like to know? 🙂
 
Jay53 said:
Personally, I wish you would just get to the point in your OP rather than dragging it out as you do. Why won’t you post the indicated verses yourself if you would like to discuss them? :confused:

I’m not even sure where you’re going with this one. There is only One God. This is what Christians believe. 🤷 What else would you like to know? 🙂
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I want all you to search the truth by yourself in luke 11:20 and Matthew 12:28 is your answer. Go find out. By the will of God jesus pbuh did.
 
tomshaikh said:
Assalaam O Alaikyum:)!

Can anyone post triple of verses for me. Those are Mark 12:29, Luke 11:20 and last but not least Matthew 12:28. Than I will start my point of view towards these verses and I would like to know from you all christian and catholic what exactly these verses means to you. Thank You!
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I’m well aware you’ll take these verses out of context, but I’ll quote them -

Mark 12:29 (which is not understood in context unless one takes the whole context from Mark 12:28 to 34) Jesus answered, "The first is “Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one:”

If you read the whole passage, what Christ was saying to the Scribe was that all the laws depended on love of God and love of neighbour.

Luke 11:20 “But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out the demons, then the Kingdom of God has come amongst you.” Again it must be seen in context - the Pharisees accused him of being empowered by the devil. But Christ argued that the Kingdom of God has come among them IN HIS PERSON.

Matthew 12:28 (Same episode) “But if it is by the SPIRIT of God that I cast out demons, then the Kingdom of God has come to you.”

Now let’s get something clear. Christ was a Jew, and He was well familiar with the Jewish concept of “God is One”. That’s where Mohammed got his concept from. He didn’t invent it, and it wasn’t new.

But you also need to read some other passages to see that Christ is clearly claiming His divinity (“Before Abraham was, I am”) and that after His resurrection, He would send the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

And the Christian Church has been growing ever since.

Nobody knows how the Trinity works, but it is an intensely close relationship. One could say that God the Father, for the sake of love, sees Himself in the mirror image of His Son (“THe Son can do nothing without the Father, and the Father can do nothing without the Son”) while the Holy Spirit “searched the deep things of God”.

You’re made in God’s image, and you’re a trinity of body, mind and spirit. That says something about God.
 
tomshaikh said:
I want all you to search the truth by yourself in luke 11:20 and Matthew 12:28 is your answer. Go find out. By the will of God jesus pbuh did.
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I’ve already found the Truth in Jesus Christ. He tells us: “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, but through me.” (John 14:6) 👍

(Thank you, Bob for posting the verses and explaining them. 🙂 )
 
Christians would agree that God is one. This is what the word Trinity means: unity in three.

The Trinity is this: one Being of God revealed in three Persons, united by a common Essence.
 
Jay53 said:
I’ve already found the Truth in Jesus Christ. He tells us: “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, but through me.” (John 14:6) 👍

(Thank you, Bob for posting the verses and explaining them. 🙂 )
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hey Jay, you think jesus pbuh is only urs not mine. I love him man I love him dude. But he will come before judgement day and he will kill the antichrist and no one will left unbelieving him and he will rule the world with Quran like he do in first coming trying to preaching also from torah. Thank you I LOVE JESUS pbuh
 
tomshaikh said:
hey Jay, you think jesus pbuh is only urs not mine. I love him man I love him dude. But he will come before judgement day and he will kill the antichrist and no one will left unbelieving him and he will rule the world with Quran like he do in first coming trying to preaching also from torah. Thank you I LOVE JESUS pbuh
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I absolutely believe that Jesus is for everyone. I certainly didn’t mean to imply otherwise. But, personally, I don’t believe He will have anything to do with the Quran - I don’t believe for one minute that it is from God.

BTW, you should check out famdigy’s Faith and Certainty thread. I would be interested to read your viewpoint on it. 🙂
 
Jay53 said:
Thank you! I guess I should have done that. :o
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I am not ready for this thread right now infact i donot have words or think about what to say in this thread. It is very intelligent question. May be he post it from what Our 12 IMAMS used to ask to their people about their faith. But I will post my father point of view our there. Inshallah. I am just a kid not to participate in that thread. Thank you i read all of urs point of view.
 
Christians believe in one God, despite what many people seem to think. The Trinity is one. It is three but one. Three different forms of the same thing - three different forms of God.
 
tomshaikh said:
I am not ready for this thread right now infact i donot have words or think about what to say in this thread. It is very intelligent question. May be he post it from what Our 12 IMAMS used to ask to their people about their faith. But I will post my father point of view our there. Inshallah. I am just a kid not to participate in that thread. Thank you i read all of urs point of view.
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I ask this not out of snobbery or insensitivity, but don’t you think you should have more than “a kid’s” opinion if you’re going to engage people of another faith in theological debate?
 
tomshaikh said:
9 members saw my thread and nobody bother to post. GGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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I have gone through some of the threads you generated. Frankly, though at the risk of sounding arrogant, I think there is nothing much to respond to. I mean you sound more of a troll with the intention of baiting Catholics here into unfruitful and wasteful argument. It’s different if you have specific question or if there is anything you’re not clear about.

FYI, you cannot argue from the Bible to prove Catholicism/Christianity wrong. The Bible was compiled after the birth of Christianity - its purpose mainly to put into writing its belief, practices and doctrines which were already very much in place before that. Unless you think you are better than the Early Church Fathers which definitely you are not.

It is different with the Quran though, at least how you Muslims percieve it. It is supposed to be verbatim words of Allah. Your problem and still is today, is how to correctly interpret what Allah wanted to convey there. Not so with Catholics - the message of the Bible is already made clear even before the Bible was written.

So there you are. Hope that answer some of your thought. Dude,I really hope you are serious in wanting a dialogue here.
 
Reuben_J said:
I have gone through some of the threads you generated. Frankly, though at the risk of sounding arrogant, I think there is nothing much to respond to. I mean you sound more of a troll with the intention of baiting Catholics here into unfruitful and wasteful argument. It’s different if you have specific question or if there is anything you’re not clear about.

FYI, you cannot argue from the Bible to prove Catholicism/Christianity wrong. The Bible was compiled after the birth of Christianity - its purpose mainly to put into writing its belief, practices and doctrines which were already very much in place before that. Unless you think you are better than the Early Church Fathers which definitely you are not.

It is different with the Quran though, at least how you Muslims percieve it. It is supposed to be verbatim words of Allah. Your problem and still is today, is how to correctly interpret what Allah wanted to convey there. Not so with Catholics - the message of the Bible is already made clear even before the Bible was written.

So there you are. Hope that answer some of your thought. Dude,I really hope you are serious in wanting a dialogue here.
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Do you know one thing? What jesus pbuh gonna do on his second coming. He will break the CROSS. Hopefull you will see him on his second coming otherwise. I am sorry for you. Die unbeliever what jesus true teaching was. It is horrible for one.
 
tomshaikh said:
sorry i got upset while seeing jesus image with cross and decided to write that. What is that one of the 10 commandment which say NO IMAGE.
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You haven’t read the apologetics of Saint John Damascene 🙂 He was involved with the 7th Ecumenical Council, which dealt with iconography.

Do not forget we were made in the image of God - in the Koine Greek the word is eikon, from which we get the word icon. Christ, the Incarnate Word, is the literal image of God. Christ became man so that man might become God, not by nature but by imitation (ie. godly). Christ purified that tarnished flesh. During the Orthodox liturgy there’s a fine moment that visualizes all this, where the priest comes out and censes the icon of Christ (the image of God) then turns and censes the congregation (the images of God).

Do not be too steadfast against ANY imagery, however. Do not forget that even though God commanded no graven image, the Ark which He ordered constructed had statues of angels - in other words, images of heavenly things. These were not graven images, but they are an example of iconography and imagery in early worship.
 
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