Byzantine Catholic Denying St Peter's Authority?

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check out their bulleting towards the bottom on the subject of the Feast day of St Peter and Paul. This really upsets me since ive gone to this parish 3 times and fell in love with the DL. But if the parish denys Papal Authority, then I cant see myself going back. 😦 …

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That’s my eparchy! My Knights of Columbus (Our Lady of Perpetual Help Byzantine Catholic Church in Albuquerque) bought our seminarian his ordination vestments - he was ordained there. Just the other day I was watching a video of it.

I wish they had a less see-through iconostasis - but I will visit if I make to to Las Vegas some time.

I can promise you this, although in Byzantine Catholicism there are some Orthodox leaning types who sometimes slip stuff like this in, most Byzantine Catholics I know (haha, I got to a Byzantine parish - so I know a few) completely support the Pope.

It’s possible this was just copied from an Orthodox website or something - since the Orthodox and Byzantine Catholics are so similar often they use the same resources.
 
FRANKYG said:
ourladyofwisdom.net/files/this_week.pdf

check out their bulleting towards the bottom on the subject of the Feast day of St Peter and Paul. This really upsets me since ive gone to this parish 3 times and fell in love with the DL. But if the parish denys Papal Authority, then I cant see myself going back. 😦 …

Any comments on the bulleting ??
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I would say that you should ask the priest about it. It’s possible to undermine the petrine supremacy without undermining papal authority (although it certainly does make papal authority seem less convincing).
 
Cavaradossi said:
I would say that you should ask the priest about it. It’s possible to undermine the petrine supremacy without undermining papal authority (although it certainly does make papal authority seem less convincing).
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I would agree with this assessment. Listen to the Orietnal Lumen Conference on Ancient Faith radio (there’s a thread on it in this forum).

I wouldn’t get hung up on this issue especially in that wording given in the bulletin. Us in the 20th century west may have trouble identifying how the Bishop of Rome Operated in the first millenium, especially the first 500 or 600 years. I think careful reading of the Bible and of church fathers and councils would show that while Peter and then the Pope held a place of honor they didn’t rule over all bishops everywhere.

It’s a hot button issue and I wouldn’t sweat it unless the priest stops praying for the Pope in the DL.
 
It seems they are just taking the traditional Eastern view. In no way did they reject Peter as Pope, but they referred to him as the first among equals which is and was his position in the Ancient Church. It could be worded better, but you shouldn’t think that they reject the Pope, although I do agree that references to no authority could cause some issue.
I find it interesting that most Romans will complain any time there is some slight misprint or error in Eastern theology, spirituality, or its catechism; yet we don’t start a thread for every time the West misrepresents the East. I have seen Catholic text books bash the Orthodox and Eastern Catholics, they completely error on their statements on the Great Schism and they devote one measly paragraph in the whole book to union. I could start hundreds of threads if I were to pick out every error I have seen in Western books, bulletins, and pamphlets that misrepresents or openly bash the East whether Catholic or Orthodox.
 
FRANKYG said:
ourladyofwisdom.net/files/this_week.pdf

check out their bulleting towards the bottom on the subject of the Feast day of St Peter and Paul. This really upsets me since ive gone to this parish 3 times and fell in love with the DL. But if the parish denys Papal Authority, then I cant see myself going back. 😦 …

Any comments on the bulleting ??
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he did not have any special authority over the other Apostles, but was only first in honor

I think this is the passage you are talking about.

I thoroughly agree with the clause “he did not have any special authority over the other Apostles.” St. Peter indeed had a special authority, but it was not “OVER the Apostles.” Rather, it was a special authority that was to be exercised WITH the Apostles in collegiality.

As Pope St. Leo XIII explained in his Encyclical Satis Cognitum (1896):
But if the authority of Peter and his successors is plenary and supreme, it is not to be regarded as the sole authority. For He who made Peter the foundation of the Church also “chose, twelve, whom He called apostles” (Luke vi., 13); and just as it is necessary that the authority of Peter should be perpetuated in the Roman Pontiff, so, by the fact that the bishops succeed the Apostles, they inherit their ordinary power, and thus the episcopal order necessarily belongs to the essential constitution of the Church.

However, someone should point out to the producers of that bulletin that the clause “but was only first in honor” is heretical according to Vatican 1.

“If anyone says that the blessed Apostle Peter…received immediately and directly from Jesus Christ our Lord only a primacy of honor…let him be anathema.”

Brother Wetcatechumen, since you are a member of that parish, perhaps you can point that out to them. Perhaps you can ask them to replace the clause “but was only first in honor” with the more orthodox clause, “but was called to exercise his special authority WITH the Apostles.”

Blessings,
Marduk
 
FRANKYG said:
ourladyofwisdom.net/files/this_week.pdf

check out their bulleting towards the bottom on the subject of the Feast day of St Peter and Paul. This really upsets me since ive gone to this parish 3 times and fell in love with the DL. But if the parish denys Papal Authority, then I cant see myself going back. 😦 …

Any comments on the bulleting ??
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I agree with WetCatechumen. An error in the bulletin is not enough to separate you from the beautiful Divine Liturgy.

Besides, why are they collecting for Peter’s Pence? All that money goes to the Pope!

When you are doing the prayers, so long as the liturgy contains the prayer for the Holy Father, then you are ok. 👍

This means that, regardless of any misinformation printed in the bulletin, the pastor is in union with the successor of Peter.
 
What’s this all about? …

Mr. William Griffith, Reigning Patriarch
Ms. Kehaulani Harker, Reigning Matriarch
 
mardukm said:
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However, someone should point out to the producers of that bulletin that the clause “but was only first in honor” is heretical according to Vatican 1…
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So, the claim that EC are “orthodox in communion with Rome”, is actually a bit exaggerated, eh? Aren’t they “encouraged to stick with their tradition” or they are not?
 
milidrag said:
So, the claim that EC are “orthodox in communion with Rome”, is actually a bit exaggerated, eh? Aren’t they “encouraged to stick with their tradition” or they are not?
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You will find that there is a wide spectrum of beliefs among Eastern Catholics. That said, I see nothing wrong with the article in the bulletin. 😃
 
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