Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgy

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how come the Greek Catholic Divine Liturgy is shorter than the Greek Orthodox Divine Liturgy I just wondered because don’t they use the same liturgies because I’ve heard that the GC DL is about an hour and a half and I’ve seen a GO DL and its about three hours I think four if you include Orthos 🙂
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I go to both a Ukrainian-Greek Catholic Church and a Greek Orthodox Church and it’s the same liturgy (of course the Greek Orthodox doesn’t include the Pope in its litanies).

Glad
 
The only three-hour Orthodox liturgy I’ve ever been to is the Paschal (Easter) liturgy. All others range from 1.5 to 2 hours.
 
maybe what I’m thinking of is Orthos the preperration prayers and the liturgy combined that makes more sense
sorry I cant spell:D
 
Yes, the combined services take up a good portion of your day, GLORY TO GOD! But, it depends on the bishop and the priest sometimes as to what is/ins’t used. But I LOVE the worship in our Church.
 
Yes, I love attending Matins before Divine Liturgy, the way it flows straight from one to the other…I have seldom even noticed the time except for being really surprised (in the beginning) at what time it was when I returned to my car! There have been times on a weekday where I have been the only person to attend Matins and once when I was the only one at the DL, although sad, I can say what an incredible experience it was.

Glad
 
GladCatholic said:
Yes, I love attending Matins before Divine Liturgy, the way it flows straight from one to the other…I have seldom even noticed the time except for being really surprised (in the beginning) at what time it was when I returned to my car! There have been times on a weekday where I have been the only person to attend Matins and once when I was the only one at the DL, although sad, I can say what an incredible experience it was.

Glad
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Do you know Father Deacon Randolph?
 
One minor thing–the English language just goes faster than Greek or Slavonic.

And I’ve been to one Greek Orthodox Divine Liturgy celebrated in in a mission that met in a house, and it took only 40 min.
 
Altar_Server_01 said:
how come the Greek Catholic Divine Liturgy is shorter than the Greek Orthodox Divine Liturgy I just wondered because don’t they use the same liturgies because I’ve heard that the GC DL is about an hour and a half and I’ve seen a GO DL and its about three hours I think four if you include Orthos 🙂
Please pray for my vocation to the priesthood :highprayer:
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GO liturgies aren’t three hours long. The Coptic liturgies on the other hand are pretty long. You better be prepared for a three hour liturgy with them.
 
REFORMED GREKO-CATOLIC LITURGY

Compared to Orthodox liturgy Greko-Catolic has been shortened when converted to Ukrainian language rather than Slavonic. It now does not include Malaja Jektjenija after the antiphons,Edinorodnij Synje, jektjenija of the Oglashennije (becoming Christian people) before Symbol of Faith, prositel’naja jektjenija at time of Great Enterance. This may be cause of shortness compared to Greek.
 
Volodymyr said:
REFORMED GREKO-CATOLIC LITURGY

Compared to Orthodox liturgy Greko-Catolic has been shortened when converted to Ukrainian language rather than Slavonic. It now does not include Malaja Jektjenija after the antiphons,Edinorodnij Synje, jektjenija of the Oglashennije (becoming Christian people) before Symbol of Faith, prositel’naja jektjenija at time of Great Enterance. This may be cause of shortness compared to Greek.
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Just a note for others:

Malaja Jektjenija = Small Litany
Edinorodnij Synje = Only-begotten Son/Hymn of the Incarnation
Jektjenija of the Oglashennije = Litany of the Catechumens
Prositel’naja Jektjenija = Litany of Supplication
 
wynd said:
Just a note for others:

Malaja Jektjenija = Small Litany
Edinorodnij Synje = Only-begotten Son/Hymn of the Incarnation
Jektjenija of the Oglashennije = Litany of the Catechumens
Prositel’naja Jektjenija = Litany of Supplication
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I know in Ukrainian where I go in Philly absolutely has Small Litany and Only-Begotten Son (which is chanted and amazing how so few words can be extended for a relatively long amount of time)–can’t be sure of the other two but will make sure to notice next visit. Also, it’s in Ukrainian and not Slavonic.

Glad
 
Yes, they have Malaja Jektjenija but it is supposed to be repeated after each antifon and after the Jedinorodnij Synje. This is NOT done - of course, they still have antifoni and the Jedinorondni Synje. Check with your priest - these are no longer done in Greko Catolic Churches.
 
Volodymyr said:
Yes, they have Malaja Jektjenija but it is supposed to be repeated after each antifon and after the Jedinorodnij Synje. This is NOT done - of course, they still have antifoni and the Jedinorondni Synje. Check with your priest - these are no longer done in Greko Catolic Churches.
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I’m not arguing with you here…I can say at least in the two churches I go to, the UGCC liturgy is actually longer than the GO liturgy. Just the point that no way GO is 3 hours adn that much longer than UGCC.

Glad
 
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I’m not arguing with you hereGlad
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Sorry, Glad, I am not arguing, I am also amazing that can talk to you note after note. These are two different things - Greko Catolic Liturgy is actually shortened. However, slow priest, elaborate choir and such liturgy will be much longer than Orthodox Divine Liturgy with faster priest, not elaborate music. My sorrow if it seems I was making argument.

Also thanks to Mr. Wynd for translation - my dictionary does not include such terms into English language.
 
Volodymyr said:
Sorry, Glad, I am not arguing, I am also amazing that can talk to you note after note. These are two different things - Greko Catolic Liturgy is actually shortened. However, slow priest, elaborate choir and such liturgy will be much longer than Orthodox Divine Liturgy with faster priest, not elaborate music. My sorrow if it seems I was making argument.

Also thanks to Mr. Wynd for translation - my dictionary does not include such terms into English language.
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👍 I love your “accent” Volodymyr and it’s been a pleasure exchanging notes with you…both of these Liturgies are so incredibly beautiful that I cannot even decide which to go to when I have the extra time! We are so very fortunate we have these.

Come to think of it, I wish both were 3 hours long!

Glad
 
Volodymyr said:
Sorry, Glad, I am not arguing, I am also amazing that can talk to you note after note. These are two different things - Greko Catolic Liturgy is actually shortened. However, slow priest, elaborate choir and such liturgy will be much longer than Orthodox Divine Liturgy with faster priest, not elaborate music. My sorrow if it seems I was making argument.

Also thanks to Mr. Wynd for translation - my dictionary does not include such terms into English language.
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The Greek Catholic liturgy is not shortened everywhere. In some places the parishes or monasteries do take all of the small ektenias (mala ekteni) as well as the Ektenia for the Catechumens and all three antiphons. I have a recording of Patriarch Lubomyr when he was still the auxiliary bishop of L’viv celebrating a full pontifical where the full liturgy was celebrated.

You will find that all Eastern Churches, whether Catholic or Orthodox, have some variations in the way the Liturgy is celebrated.
Fr. Deacon RLB
 
Diak said:
You will find that all Eastern Churches, whether Catholic or Orthodox, have some variations in the way the Liturgy is celebrated.
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In my parish, we do not do the Catechumen Eketina unless we have Catechumens…:byzsoc:
 
Don’t know where to post this, but since we’re talking about the Divine Liturgy, thought I might share a favourite rendition of the Cherubic Hymn by Theodoros Vasssilikos: youtube.com/watch?v=ltr3TlzW0bM Now, if only I could chant like him…
 
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