Byzantine Catholicism vs. Latin Catholicism?

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Hi, I’m interested in knowing the differences between the two styles of Catholicism. Can someone describe the differences in practice?
 
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I think it really depends on the type of Latin Catholicism… if it’s the Tridentine Mass, or the Novus Ordo
 
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Monica4316;6889163:
I think it really depends on the type of Latin Catholicism… if it’s the Tridentine Mass, or the Novus Ordo
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the Latin Church is the Latin Church
the OF and EF are just forms of the Mass
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Actually, I believe Monica is quite right. I’m not saying that there are not differences between the EF and the DL, but simply that the chart makes the comparison based strictly on the OF. The chart is very interesting, but the first 2 pages clearly and most definitely reflect the Novus Ordo on the Latin Church side. So, too, the “liturgy” item on the 3rd page.
 
of course in regards to liturgy, you have to compare with whats the norm
 
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of course in regards to liturgy, you have to compare with whats the norm
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Yes, but for some in the Latin Church, the EF is the norm.

In any case, though, I think the chart is far more effective using the OF. 🙂
 
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the Latin Church is the Latin Church
the OF and EF are just forms of the Mass
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I agree, it’s just that the chart describes the OF, not the Latin Church as a whole… also imo it describes the more liberal types of the Novus Ordo Mass. (it’s not like that in all parishes).
 
malphono said:
Yes, but for some in the Latin Church, the EF is the norm.

In any case, though, I think the chart is far more effective using the OF. 🙂
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personal preference does not dictate what is the norm
for some, EF is their preference
the norm of the Latin Rite is the Ordinary Form
 
Monica4316 said:
I agree, it’s just that the chart describes the OF, not the Latin Church as a whole… also imo it describes the more liberal types of the Novus Ordo Mass. (it’s not like that in all parishes).
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they have to capture what is the norm
if a Byzantine Catholic would look at this chart and randomly choose a Latin Rite parish and walk in there, what he read should reflect what most parishes are so he’d know what to expect.
 
choy said:
they have to capture what is the norm
if a Byzantine Catholic would look at this chart and randomly choose a Latin Rite parish and walk in there, what he read should reflect what most parishes are so he’d know what to expect.
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I highly doubt the target audience for that chart is Byzantine.
 
malphono said:
I highly doubt the target audience for that chart is Byzantine.
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true, but i got it from the website of a UGCC parish. so its either for the Latin Rite visitors, or their own parishioners who are curious of the Latin Rite
 
MarcusAndreas said:
Hi, I’m interested in knowing the differences between the two styles of Catholicism. Can someone describe the differences in practice?
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Glory to Jesus Christ!
Welcome to the CAF and the Eastern Catholicism section! 🙂 I see you’ve been blessed (mixed blessing apparently) with being educated in Catholic schools up to now. (Congratulations on your recent graduation from 8th grade :D) Problematic as those years of education may have been by your description, you seem to know something about the Latin Church. 🙂

We’re actually 21 different Catholic Churches, no “vs” please. As John Paul the Great called us the Church breathing with both lungs. If you poke around here you’ll find a number of places where people have discussed the different Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches.

I think you might enjoy Fr Loya’s “Two minute poor man’s PowerPoint presentation” which appears at the start of this clip, the clip actually is on Theology of the Body. I’m a real fan of Fr Loya’s. He’s on Catholic radio every Sunday and his shows are archived here.

Eastern Christian Media has some good materials.

I’m also a big fan of Catherine Alexander’s Word from the Wise interviews with the Monks of Holy Resurrection Romanian Catholic Monastery. I think all the interviews are excellent. If you click on the “… (more info)” it brings up a list of the questions Catherine asks in that segment. The HRM monks are Byzantine however they do address that somewhat in their responses, making note of Oriental Catholics.

A number of parishes have very good websites with helpful information. One excellent parish site is that of St. Elias Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church in Brampton, ON, CA.

The St. Peter The Apostle Catholic Diocese for Chaldeans And Assyrians web site also has a lot of good information.

The best way to come to know about our Churches is to come assist with us in Divine Liturgy. 🙂 There are a number of EC parishes in Ohio. Here’s a site: Find-A-Parish By Location.

Again, welcome. It’s great to have a young Latin Catholic wanting to learn more about the rest of the Church. 👍
 
MarcusAndreas said:
Hi, I’m interested in knowing the differences between the two styles of Catholicism. Can someone describe the differences in practice?
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This comment is on practice, not belief or theology.

In Latin practice:

Mass Sundays and several holy days of obligation.
Lent Fast & Abstinance: Ash Wednesday, Good Friday (ages 14-59).
Lent Abstinance: Friday no meat (age 14 up)
Eucharist Fast: an hour before from food and drink, a longer is traditional.
Penance: all Fridays are recommended.
Liturgy of Presanctified Gifts on Good Friday only.
Communion and Confession (if required) during Easter season.
Private devotions in public: Way of the Cross, Way of Mary, Rosary, Chaplets, lighting of candles with prayer.
Public devotions: Mass, Eucharistic Adoration, and Benediction, Hours.
Liturgy is not normally chanted. Use of musical instruments in public devotions.
Gregorian Chant.
Christian Initiation as an infant includes: baptism, chrismation, and eucharist.
Confirmation exceptionally by the priest with chrism from the bishop.
Use of statues, candles.
Private devotions: any.
Indulgences: available.
Eucharist in hand or tongue, by one or two species.
May have married priests in some areas, that transferred from other Churches.
There is a diaconate which may witness marriage.
Sign of the Cross (left first), genuflection and kneeling and head nod.
Kneeling for prayer.

In Byzantine practice (Ruthenian given, but may vary with each Church sui iuris):

Divine Liturgy Sundays and several holy days of obligation.
Great Fast Fast & Abstinance: Pure Monday, Great Friday
Great Fast Fasting: Wed & Fri no meat, eggs, or dairy products.
Eucharist Fast: an hour before from solids, a longer is traditional.
Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts during the Great Fast.
No eucharist on Good Friday.
Penitential times: most Fridays, with four penitential seasons:
1 prior to Christmas/Theophany (Dec 25, Jan 5)
2 prior to Pascha (Great Lent and Holy Week)
3 prior to Feast of Sts. Peter and Paul (Jun 29)
4 prior to Dormition (Aug 15)
Christian Initiation as an infant includes: baptism.
Chrismation normally by the priest with chrism from the bishop.
Public devotions: Divine Liturgy, Vespers, Matins, Akathist, Paraclesis.
Private devotions in public: kissing of Icons, lighting candles with prayer.
Liturgy is chanted. No use of musical instruments in public devotions.
Use of Icons, candles.
Private devotions: any, traditionally includes the Jesus Prayer.
Indulgences: available, but not part of the tradition.
Eucharist by spoon in two species. (varies with the Chuch).
May have married priests in some areas.
There is a diaconate which may not witness marriage.
Sign of the Cross (right first), small and profound bows, kneeling during Lent weekdays.
Standing for prayer, with bows.
Universal Church is common: Pope and Roman Curia.
Congregation for the Eastern Churches replaces some diacastry functions.
There are slightly different marriage impediments.
 
I don’t know… I just kind of disagree with the pics, because they make it seem like the Latin Mass is very contemporary and is all about “community”, - but that’s the more liberal view… and if you go to a reverent Novus Ordo or a Tridentine Mass, there’s Gregorian Chant and the priest faces the high altar and it’s very traditional… and the emphasis is different… I just find the pics a bit biased, sorry:o
 
Vico, I think you may have reversed “Christian Initiation as an infant” descriptions for the 2 traditions.
 
Monica4316 said:
I don’t know… I just kind of disagree with the pics, because they make it seem like the Latin Mass is very contemporary and is all about “community”, - but that’s the more liberal view… and if you go to a reverent Novus Ordo or a Tridentine Mass, there’s Gregorian Chant and the priest faces the high altar and it’s very traditional… and the emphasis is different… I just find the pics a bit biased, sorry:o
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well, like i said, its biased to the norm

if you enter 100 Roman Catholic parishes, how many parishes would fit those described, and how many parishes would have EF/TLM?
 
Monica4316 said:
I don’t know… I just kind of disagree with the pics, because they make it seem like the Latin Mass is very contemporary and is all about “community”, - but that’s the more liberal view… and if you go to a reverent Novus Ordo or a Tridentine Mass, there’s Gregorian Chant and the priest faces the high altar and it’s very traditional… and the emphasis is different… I just find the pics a bit biased, sorry:o
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I can’t say that I find it biased. It simply shows some fundamental differences between the DL and the usual garden-variety OF. On that basis, as I said earlier, to me the chart is quite effective. If it were comparing the EF and the DL, it would of course still show differences, but they would be more subtle.
 
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