Aramis & ciero were talking about eating ramen… not exactly fancy food
Well, given that a lot of seafood today are expensive, its not much of a penance to be eating something thats considered a luxury. I agree if its ramen and soup, its simple enough. I know not everyone likes sushi but its mostly expensive stuff, especially the good ones. I guess cheap sushi can be considered flagellationAramis & ciero were talking about eating ramen… not exactly fancy food
Eating sushi would be penance for me… I really don’t like the stuff. Isn’t most sushi made with fish? On our parish calendar there are very few Wednesdays and Fridays (or other days during fasting seasons), when fish is allowed.
I like what the Monks of HRM say "“We look at our own plate, we don’t look at anyone else’s.”
The Byzantine idea of fasting is also done with a much different attitude. We fast as a discipline to bring our lives into line (sort of into a better spiritual balance), not so much as a penance. As a friend of mine often says during the fast God wants us disciplined not miserable.Well, given that a lot of seafood today are expensive, its not much of a penance to be eating something thats considered a luxury. I agree if its ramen and soup, its simple enough. I know not everyone likes sushi but its mostly expensive stuff, especially the good ones. I guess cheap sushi can be considered flagellation
And therein lies the danger of taking on a greatly increased fasting regimen without the guidance of a spiritual father. If your fasting is making you miserable then you are doing too much with the wrong attitude.The Byzantine idea of fasting is also done with a much different attitude. We fast as a discipline to bring our lives into line (sort of into a better spiritual balance), not so much as a penance. As a friend of mine often says during the fast God wants us disciplined not miserable.
But isn’t modesty part of that discipline? I mean, a basket of fish and chips would be more appropriate than a sushi boat, isn’t it?The Byzantine idea of fasting is also done with a much different attitude. We fast as a discipline to bring our lives into line (sort of into a better spiritual balance), not so much as a penance. As a friend of mine often says during the fast God wants us disciplined not miserable.
I haven’t done anything yet, I’m still inquiring
Sushi can be extremely simple. I wouldn’t call sushi fancy, it’s just a cuisine from another culture. Making sushi is an art form, but so is making any other food, if the person cares about it.
By fancy I mean its not cheap to buy sushi. Although I do recognize that there are cheap sushi here in North America. The professor I spoke about was in the Philippines where sushi is definitely up the economic scale.
Sushi literally is the vinegared rice… it’s almost always topped with fish, tho’ vegetarian suishi is not an oxymoron. (one of the most common rolls is sushi rice, cucumber, wasabi, and seaweed… no animal products at all…) Many sushi chefs will gleefully prepare vegetarian rolls.Aramis & ciero were talking about eating ramen… not exactly fancy food
Eating sushi would be penance for me… I really don’t like the stuff. Isn’t most sushi made with fish? On our parish calendar there are very few Wednesdays and Fridays (or other days during fasting seasons), when fish is allowed.
I like what the Monks of HRM say "“We look at our own plate, we don’t look at anyone else’s.”
Aramis…although your correct in the fact that vinegar is wine that has gone through another fermentation…it has never been considered to not be fast friendly.
Father Moses says exactly those same words in that interview on fasting.The Byzantine idea of fasting is also done with a much different attitude. We fast as a discipline to bring our lives into line (sort of into a better spiritual balance), not so much as a penance. ** As a friend of mine often says during the fast God wants us disciplined not miserable. **
No he’s the dean of lawFather Moses says exactly those same words in that interview on fasting.
There seems to be a Latin flavor, forgive the pun, to where you keep going with this, ConstantineTG. Is your professor Eastern Catholic? If not I wouldn’t be approaching him as your spiritual father on Eastern practice. Control our passions, eat simply, free up time for prayer… scrupulosity isn’t really part of the fast, may well violate the spirit of the fast. Being scrupulous isn’t the same as being disciplined.
If your moving East why not an Eastern Catholic priest or monk for your spiritual father? Or contact one of the fathers at HRM.No he’s the dean of law
He’s Roman Catholic, he’s Filipino (as I mentioned this was in the Philippines). I guess why I sort of agree with him is because that is how we were taught to appreciate fasting and basically anything Church related. Modesty plays a large part in our culture I guess, that sometimes you avoid being seen as someone who’s in a higher class than the masses who are generally poor.
I have another professor in mind who could be my Eastern spiritual father. But he’s very busy right now
I second that advice. As wonderful as a Latin priest may be he is not as likely to be familiar with Byzantine fasting practices and the mindset necessary to be successful at it. If you continue on your journey to the East you will come to understand the importance of your relationship with a spiritual father. It really is absolutely central to our faith and practice. He will be the person to help you with a prayer rule and a fasting regimen. He will also be the primary person you confess to, so he will have an intimate knowledge of your personal struggles, and can tailor his advice accordingly.
Maybe a Filipino RC priest is NOT the best place to go for ideas on Byzantine fasting. And if you agree with him or not does’nt change the fact that things are seen very differently in the Eastern Churches.
Sorry but again to clarify, I was not seeking spiritual advice from anyone else. The reason I brought up the story is to bring forward what I have been taught about fasting. This has happened years ago way before I even found out there were Eastern Catholics, in fact way before I found there were any other kind of Christians other than Catholics (back then Protestants were a scarcity in the Philippines and I was just too young).