On the other hand you have ancient, more oriental, melismatic, long-winded tones upon which the chant unwinds. If you want to be strict, though, and respect your own culture, you should stick to Gregorian chant for Latin, since that is the traditional music for the Western Rite. It’d be lovely to hear slavic music in the Mass, anyway!I would be happy, too. The only thing I see, right away, as a problem is, the fact one might need to revise a huge chunk of the hymns, or scrap them. I think they may need to revise the Roman Missal, too. The process may take a while, because of these mentioned items, and additional items, need time to be adapted, and refined. In terms of refinement, I’m thinking the following: adapting phrases to fit singing, and recitation.
This is an interesting find, worthy of some study (meaning, I’ve just begun!).
Well, I’m done already.
I would certainly agree if the rubrics were also subject to adaptation, yet what appears to have been offered here is a classic Roman Missal setting based on musical themes from Byzantine-Slav tradition. Some of the other settings presented from the source website (OCP) take a similar approach, even using themes from non-liturgical (although religiously oriented) music.
Given that much garbage has been tolerated for so long in the vernacular Roman Rite celebrations, this would be way better.
It is indeed - eternal memory to Bishop Dudik!
Is it the use of vernacular language that has created the quandry? Sts. Cyril & Methodius introduced the use of vernacular language in the ninth century, successfully evangelizing the Slavic peoples in a language they understood.
Gregorian chant is one form of chant associated with the Roman Rite, and probably wouldn’t adapt readily to Byzantine usage, but more so due to custom than structure. Gregorian chant does have notable similarities to the chant families used by Churches of the Byzantine Rite. Adaptation would therefore be more successful than, say, some other polyphonic forms more commonly associated with the Roman Rite.
Oh no, I don’t object to the vernacular itself. I refer more to the dumbed-down “popular” musical styles and watered-down lyrics in use in a typical English-speaking Roman parish these days. The Anglicans do a much better job of their vernacular hymnody.
Custom itself is sufficient. I would argue that custom precludes the use of Gregorian chant in a Byzantine Liturgy. I’m not saying it would be wrong; in fact I would rather hear a Byzantine or Slavic chant over a “Gather Us In”-type ditty at any time.
All fair points, and I would agree in particular with the latter. The Church itself expresses great interest in preserving the dignity of the Churches in the Catholic Communion and their respective traditions, including their individually unique and distinctive forms of expression used in following the Rite of their Church.
).Depends on whether one is speaking of para-liturgical hymns (say, for processional or recessional use in the Roman Rite), or as a basis for responsorials during the Mass (liturgical hymns). Ironically, the OP question / premise highlights some of the tension that currently exists with respect to propriety of music for liturgical use in the Roman Rite, inserting accepted chant forms in the place of secularly derived music.
I think you and I discussed a particular translation at one time and I wouldn’t put Old Church Slavonic on the same level as English as far as Catholic worship is concerned. Or even Spanish or Italian where most of its speakers are Catholic.
We may have indeed, but probably not in the same context for which it was mentioned here. I think we fairly concluded that the legacy of Sts Cyril & Methodius was significant as regards translation, and that the Slavic languages in general often provide opportunities to convey text more faithfully (I remember a round or two on Polish words relating to “birth”, in particular).
What Latin Catholics would recognize as the Consecration was very clearly heard and shown in the video, starting just after the 3 minute mark.As far as that video goes, it’s nice but without the added commentary, I had absolutely no idea as to what they were singing. Were they actually singing the consecration as the poster suggested?