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Hi Everyone, I really wanted to share this quote from C.S. Lewis. I really like the man, despite him not being Catholic.

“Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.”
 
Hi Everyone, I really wanted to share this quote from C.S. Lewis. I really like the man, despite him not being Catholic.

“Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.”
I love him too! 😃
This was today"quote of the day" in a e-zine I get.

“Relying on God has to begin all over again every day as if nothing had yet been done.”
~C.S. Lewis

The man was brilliant!! 😃
 
He was brilliant but just missed the mark by not converting to Catholicism. Perhaps if he had more time on this earth to truly study theology he would have made his way to the ranks of the faithful.
 
The trouble is: the same could be said about every religion. It is in the nature of religions to be of infinite importance if true, and if no importance if not. You could say the same about Satanism, or even secular world-views such as Marxism-Leninism.

It sounds profound, it sounds logical, but it means nothing except: "I think Christianity is true’.
 
The trouble is: the same could be said about every religion. It is in the nature of religions to be of infinite importance if true, and if no importance if not. You could say the same about Satanism, or even secular world-views such as Marxism-Leninism.

It sounds profound, it sounds logical, but it means nothing except: "I think Christianity is true’.
The difference is that Christianity is founded on a simple historical proposition - that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead. If he didn’t, then Christianity is of no importance (in fact, it’s worse - it’s a dangerous lie), but if he did, then it is of infinite importance.

Most religions, and philosophies such as Marxism, have some strengths and weaknesses, but do not depend on a simple historical proposition the way Christianity does.

The consequence of this difference is that I can pick the parts of Hinduism, or Buddhism, or Marxism which I like/agree with, and remain agnostic on the rest, with no peril to logic (but possibly some peril to myself), whereas I cannot do that with Christianity. I can’t say “I accept Jesus as my saviour, but I don’t believe that I need to stop living with my girlfriend” without inviting the response - if Christ is risen, then you must accept all of his teachings.

I think that C. S. Lewis is not trying to prove Christianity true with this statement, but is rather criticising luke-warmness and relativism from Christians. When we head down that path we are confronted with the extraordinary claims of our religion, which we can’t ignore. He may have been specifically referring to academic Anglicanism in his own circles.
 
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The difference is that Christianity is founded on a simple historical question: did Jesus rise from the dead? If he didn’t, then Christianity is of no importance (in fact, it’s worse - it’s a dangerous lie), but if he did, then it is of infinite importance.
I do not see the logic here. why could everything else, including redemption, in Christianity not be true, but the reports of the resurrection be in error?
Most religions, and philosophies such as Marxism have some strengths and weaknesses, but do not depend on a simple historical question the way Christianity does.
Well, more so in some cases: Judaism - G-d gave Moses the Law. Islam - Allah gave the Prophet the Holy Koran. Mormonism: Moroni gave Joesph Smith the revelation from the Golden tablets
The consequence of this difference is that I can pick the parts of Hinduism, or Buddhism, or Marxism which I like/agree with, and remain agnostic on the rest, with no peril to logic (but possibly some peril to myself), whereas I cannot do that with Christianity. I can’t say “I accept Jesus as my saviour, but I don’t believe that I need to stop living with my girlfriend” without inviting the response - if Christ is risen, then you must accept all of his teachings
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Yes, but how do you know what the teachings are? Christians have a wide range of interpretations, including acceptance of sex without marriage.
I think that C. S. Lewis is not trying to prove Christianity true with this statement, but is rather criticising luke-warmness and relativism from Christians. When we head down that path we are confronted with the extraordinary claims of our religion, which we can’t ignore. He may have been specifically referring to academic Anglicanism in his own circles.
That may well be right!
 
Thankyou Hokomai.

A quick response on one point, but I’ll probably have to leave it there (although I will try to look at the others if time permits).
Well, more so in some cases: Judaism - G-d gave Moses the Law. Islam - Allah gave the Prophet the Holy Koran. Mormonism: Moroni gave Joesph Smith the revelation from the Golden tablets
Good point. These religions too are dependent on the truth of an historical proposition. Christianity does accept that God gave Moses the Law. The historical truth, or otherwise, of the foundations of Islam and Mormonism would indeed, IMHO, invoke C. S. Lewis’s maxim, that they are of either of no importance, or of infinite importance. So, if we look at this as not being about the truth of the religion, but about the response of the individual, (which you acknowledge may be the case) then I think the maxim does apply in these religions.

I was mainly responding to your comment that the maxim would apply to every religion and philosphy.

Having conceded that, I do think that there is something more in Christianity, in that a Christian does put his whole trust for this life and the next in Jesus Himself, risen. This seems to me to be more of a personal commitment to one man, and one historical proposition, than that required by any other religion. In Judaism G-d gave Moses the Law, in Islam G-d gave Mohammed the Koran, and so also for Mormonism. In Christianity, Jesus IS the Law, the tablet and the Word.
 
The difference is that Christianity is founded on a simple historical proposition - that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead. If he didn’t, then Christianity is of no importance (in fact, it’s worse - it’s a dangerous lie), but if he did, then it is of infinite importance.

Most religions, and philosophies such as Marxism, have some strengths and weaknesses, but do not depend on a simple historical proposition the way Christianity does.

The consequence of this difference is that I can pick the parts of Hinduism, or Buddhism, or Marxism which I like/agree with, and remain agnostic on the rest, with no peril to logic (but possibly some peril to myself), whereas I cannot do that with Christianity. I can’t say “I accept Jesus as my saviour, but I don’t believe that I need to stop living with my girlfriend” without inviting the response - if Christ is risen, then you must accept all of his teachings.

I think that C. S. Lewis is not trying to prove Christianity true with this statement, but is rather criticising luke-warmness and relativism from Christians. When we head down that path we are confronted with the extraordinary claims of our religion, which we can’t ignore. He may have been specifically referring to academic Anglicanism in his own circles.
i dont think thats the point that C.S lewis was trying to make. i think he was simply trying to say that if christianity is false, its no better than any other religion or philosophy, but if its true then it is the only true path.
 
Hokomai,

If you want to learn more about belief, especially belief in Christianity and why it is the “key that fits the lock”, I highly recommend Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton. Here are a few wonderful quotes of his:

“Let your religion be less of a theory and more of a love affair.”

"To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.”

“It is idle to talk always of the alternative of reason and faith. Reason is itself a matter of faith. It is an act of faith to assert that our thoughts have any relation to reality at all.”

“But a man is not really convinced of a philosophic theory when he finds that something proves it. He is only really convinced when he finds that everything proves it.”

“And my haunting instinct that somehow good was not merely a tool to be used, but a relic to be guarded, like the goods from Crusoe’s ship - even that had been the wild whisper of something originally wise, for, according to Christianity, we were indeed the survivors of a wreck, the crew of a golden ship that had gone down before the beginning of the world.”

“But all the optimism of the age had been false and disheartening for this reason, that it had always been trying to prove that we fit in to the world. The Christian optimism is based on the fact that we do NOT fit in to the world.”
 
Thinking of Chesterton, I had to add one more beautiful sample of his writing from The Everlasting Man. It’s a bit long, but well worth the read!

"…Anybody who believes at all in God must believe in the absolute supremacy of God. But in so far as that supremacy does allow of any degrees that can be called liberal or illiberal, it is self-evident that the illiberal power is the deity of the rationalists and the liberal power is the deity of the dogmatists. Exactly in proportion as you turn monotheism into monism you turn it into despotism. It is precisely the unknown God of the scientist, with his impenetrable purpose and his inevitable and unalterable law, that reminds us of a Prussian autocrat making rigid plans in a remote tent and moving mankind like machinery. It is precisely the God of miracles and of answered prayers who reminds us of a liberal and popular prince, receiving petitions, listening to parliaments and considering the cases of a whole people. I am not now arguing the rationality of this conception in other respects; as a matter of fact it is not, as. some suppose, irrational; for there is nothing irrational in wisest and most well-informed king acting differently according to the action of those he wishes to save. But I am here only noting the general nature of liberality, or of free or enlarged atmosphere of action. And in this respect it is certain that the king can only be what we call magnanimous if he is what some call capricious. It is the Catholic, who has the feeling that his prayers do make a difference, when offered for the living and the dead, who also has the feeling of living like a free citizen in something almost like a constitutional commonwealth. It is the monist who lives under a single iron law who must have the feeling of living like a slave under a sultan. Indeed I believe that the original use of the word suffragium, which we now use in politics for a vote, was that employed in theology about a prayer. The dead in Purgatory were said to have the suffrages of the living. And in this sense, of a sort of right of petition to the supreme ruler, we may truly say that the whole of the Communion of Saints, as well as the whole of the Church Militant, is founded on universal suffrage. But above all, it is true of the most tremendous issue; of that tragedy which has created the divine comedy of our creed. Nothing short of the extreme and strong and startling doctrine of the divinity of Christ will give that particular effect that can truly stir the popular sense like a trumpet; the idea, of the king himself serving in the ranks like a common soldier. By making that figure merely human we make that story much less human. We take away the point of the story which actually pierces humanity; the point of the story which is quite literally the point of a spear. It does not especially humanize the universe to say that good and wise men can die for their opinions; any more than it would be any sort of uproariously popular news in an army that good soldiers may easily get killed. It is no news that King Leonidas is dead any more than that Queen Anne is dead; and men did not wait for Christianity to be men, in the full sense of being heroes. But if we are describing, for the moment, the atmosphere of what is generous and popular and even picturesque, any knowledge of human nature will tell us that no sufferings of the sons of men, or even of the servants of God, strike the same note as the notion of the master suffering instead of his servants. And this is given by the theological and emphatically not by the scientific deity. No mysterious monarch, hidden in his starry pavilion at the base of the cosmic campaign, is in the least like that celestial chivalry of the Captain who carries his five wounds in the front of battle.

What the denouncer of dogma really means is not that dogma is bad; rather that dogma is too good to be true. That is, he means that dogma is too liberal to be likely. Dogma gives man too much freedom when it permits him to fall. Dogma gives even God too much freedom when it permits him to die. That is what the intelligent sceptics ought to say; and it is not in the least my intention to deny that there is something to be said for it. They mean that the universe is itself a universal prison; that existence itself is a limitation and a control; and it is not for nothing that they call causation a chain. In a word, they mean quite simply that they cannot believe these things; not in the least that they are unworthy of belief. We say, not lightly but very literally, that the truth has made us free. They say that it makes us so free that it cannot be the truth. To them it is like believing in fairyland to believe in such freedom as we enjoy. It is like believing in men with wings to entertain the fancy of men with wills. It is like accepting a fable about a squirrel in conversation with a mountain to believe in a man who is free to ask or a God who is free to answer. This is a manly and a rational negation for which I for one shall always show respect. But I decline to show any respect for those who first of all clip the wings and cage the squirrel, rivet the chains and refuse the freedom, close all the doors of the cosmic prison on us with a clang of eternal iron, tell us that our emancipation is a dream and our dungeon a necessity; and then calmly turn round and tell us they have a freer thought and a more liberal theology. The moral of all this is an old one; that religion is revelation. In other words, it is a vision, and a vision received by faith but it is a vision of reality. The faith consists in a conviction of its reality. That, for example, is the difference between a vision and a day-dream. And that is the difference between religion and mythology. That is the difference between faith and all that fancywork, quite human and more or less healthy, which we considered under the head of mythology. There is something in the reasonable use of the very word vision that implies two things about it; first that it comes very rarely, possibly that it comes only once; and secondly that it probably comes once and for all. A day-dream may come every day. A day-dream may be different every day. It is something more than the difference between telling ghost stories and meeting a ghost.

But if it is not a mythology neither is it a philosophy. It is not a philosophy because, being a vision, it is not a pattern but a picture. It is not one of those simplifications which resolve everything into an abstract explanation; as that everything is recurrent; or everything is relative; or everything is inevitable; or everything is illusive. It is not a process but a story. It has proportions, of the sort seen in a picture or a story; it has not the regular repetitions of a pattern or a process; but it replaces them by being convincing as a picture or a story is convincing. In other words, it is exactly, as the phrase goes, like life. For indeed it is life. An example of what is meant here might well be found in the treatment of the problem of evil. It is easy enough to make a plan of life of which the background is black, as the pessimists do; and then admit a speck or two of star-dust more or less accidental, or at in the literal sense insignificant. And it is easy enough to make another plan on white paper, as the Christian Scientists do, and explain or explain away somehow such dots or smudges as may be difficult to deny. Lastly it is easiest of all, perhaps, to say as the dualists do, that life is like a chessboard in which the two are equal; and can as truly be said to consist of white squares on a black board or of black squares on a white board. But every man feels in his heart that none of these three paper plans is like life; that none of these worlds is one in which he can live. Something tells him that the ultimate idea of a world is not bad or even neutral; staring at the sky or the grass or the truths of mathematics or even a new-laid egg, he has a vague feeling like the shadow of that saying of the great Christian philosopher, St. Thomas Aquinas, ‘Every existence, as such, is good.’ On the other hand, something else tells him that it is unmanly and debased and even diseased to minimise evil to a dot or even a blot. He realizes that optimism is morbid. It is if possible even more morbid than pessimism. These vague but healthy feelings, if he followed them out, would result in the idea that evil is in some way an exception but an enormous exception; and ultimately that evil is an invasion or yet more truly a rebellion. He does not think that everything is right or that everything is wrong, or that everything is equally right and wrong. But he does think that right has a right to be right and therefore a right to be there; and wrong has no, right to be wrong and therefore no right to be there. It is the prince of the world; but it is also a usurper. So he will apprehend vaguely what the vision will give to him vividly; no less than all that strange story of treason in heaven and the great desertion by which evil damaged and tried to destroy a cosmos that it could not create. It is a very strange story and its proportions and its lines and colors are as arbitrary and absolute as the artistic composition of a picture. It is a vision which we do in fact symbolize in pictures by titanic limbs and passionate tints of plumage; all that abysmal vision of falling stars and the peacock panoplies of the night. But that strange story has one small, advantage over the diagrams. It is like life…
 
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…The Catholic faith is the reconciliation because it is the realization both of mythology and philosophy. It is a story and in that sense one of a hundred stories; only it is a true story. It is a philosophy and in that sense one of a hundred philosophies; only it is a philosophy that is like life. But above all, it is a reconciliation because it is something that can only be called the philosophy of stories. That normal narrative which produced all the fairy-tales is something that by all the philosophies-except one. The Faith is the justification of that popular instinct; the finding of a philosophy for it or the analysis of the philosophy in it. Exactly as a man in an adventure story has to pass various tests to save his life, so the man in this philosophy has to pass several tests and save his soul. In both there is an idea of free will operating under conditions of design; in other words, there is an aim and it is the business of a man to aim at it; we therefore watch to see whether he will hit it. Now this deep and democratic and dramatic instinct is derided and dismissed in all the other philosophies. For all the other philosophies avowedly end where they begin; and it is the definition of a story that it ends differently; that it begins in one place ,and ends in another. From Buddha and his wheel to Ashen Ten and his disc, from Pythagoras with his abstraction of number to Confucius with his religion of routine, there is not one of them that does not in some way sin against the ,soul of a story. There is none of them that really grasps this human notion of the tale, the test, the adventure; the ordeal of the free man. Each of them starves the story-telling instinct, so to speak, and does something to spoil human life considered as a romance; either by fatalism (pessimist or optimist) and that destiny that is the death of adventure; or by indifference and that detachment that is the death of drama; or by a fundamental scepticism that dissolves the actors into atoms; or by a materialistic limitation blocking the vista of moral consequences; or a mechanical recurrence making even moral tests monotonous; or a bottomless relativity making even practical tests insecure. There is such a thing as a human story; and there is such a thing as the divine story which is also a human story; but there is no such thing as a Hegelian story or a Monist story or a relativist story or a determinist story; for every story, yes, even a penny dreadful or a cheap novelette, has something in it that belongs to our universe and not theirs. Every short story does truly begin with creation and end with a last judgment.

And that is the reason why the myths and the philosophers were at war until Christ came. That is why the Athenian democracy killed Socrates out of respect for the gods; and why every strolling sophist gave himself, the airs of a Socrates whenever he could talk in a superior fashion of the gods; and why the heretic Pharaoh wrecked his huge idols and temples for an abstraction and why the priests could return in triumph and trample his dynasty under foot; and why Buddhism bad to divide itself from Brahmanism, and why in every age and country outside Christendom there has been a feud forever between the philosopher and the priest. It is easy enough to say that the philosopher is generally the more rational; it is easier still to forget that the priest is always the more popular. For the priest told the people stories; and the philosopher did not understand the philosophy of stories. It came into the world with the story of Christ

And this is why it had to be a revelation or vision given from above. Anyone who will think of the theory of stories or pictures will easily see the point. The true story of the world must be told by somebody to somebody else. By the very nature of a story it cannot be left to occur to anybody. A story has proportions, variations, surprises, particular dispositions, which cannot be worked out by rule in the abstract like a sum. We could not deduce whether or no Achilles would give back the body of Hector from a Pythagorean theory of number or recurrence; and we could not infer for elves in what way the world would get back the body of Christ merely from being told that all things go round and round upon the wheel of Buddha. A man might perhaps work a proposition of Euclid without having heard of Euclid; he would not work out the precise legend of Eurydice out having heard of Eurydice. At any rate he would not entertain how the story would end and whether Orpheus was rising, not defeated. Still less could he guess the end of our story or the legend of our Orpheus rising, not defeated, from the dead.

To sum up: the sanity of the world was restored and the soul of man offered salvation by something which did indeed satisfy the two warring tendencies of the past; which had never been satisfied in full and most certainly never satisfied together. It met the mythological search for romance by being a story and the philosophical search for truth by being a true story. That is why the ideal figure had to be a historical character as nobody had ever felt Adonis or Pan to be a historical character. But that is also why the historical character had to be the ideal figure; and even fulfill many of the functions given to these other ideal figures; why he was at once the sacrifice and the feast, why he could be shown under the emblems ,of the growing vine or the rising sun. The more deeply we think of the matter the more we shall conclude that, if there be indeed a God, his creation could hardly have reached any other culmination than this granting of a real romance to the world. Otherwise the two sides of the human mind could never have touched at all; and the brain of man would have remained cloven and double; one lobe of it dreaming impossible dreams and the other repeating invariable calculations. The picture-makers would have remained forever painting the portrait of nobody. The sages would have remained forever adding up numerals that came to nothing. It was that abyss that nothing but an incarnation could cover; a divine embodiment of our dreams; and be stands above that chasm whose name is more than priest and older even than Christendom; Pontifex: Maximus’ the mightiest maker of a bridge. But even with that we return to the more specially Christian symbol in the same tradition; the perfect pattern of the keys. This is a historical and not a theological outline, and it is not my duty here to defend in detail that theology, but merely to point out that it could not even be justified in design without being justified in detail-like a key. Beyond the broad suggestion of this chapter I attempt no apologetic about why the creed should be accepted. But in answer to the historical query of why it was accepted, and is accepted, I answer for millions of others in my reply; because it fits the lock; because it is like life. It is one among many stories; only it happens to be a true story. It is one among many philosophies; only it happens to be the truth. We accept it; and the ground is solid under our feet and the road is open before us. It does not imprison us in a dream of destiny or a consciousness of the universal delusion. It opens to us not only incredible heavens, but what seems to some an equally incredible earth, and makes it credible. This is the sort of truth that is hard to explain because it is a fact; but it is a fact to which we can call witnesses. We are Christians and Catholics not because we worship a key, but because we have passed a door; and felt the wind that is the trumpet of liberty blow over the land of the living."
 
the everlasting man is the book c.s.lewis credited for his conversion from atheism .
 
I think that C. S. Lewis is not trying to prove Christianity true with this statement, but is rather criticising luke-warmness and relativism from Christians. When we head down that path we are confronted with the extraordinary claims of our religion, which we can’t ignore. He may have been specifically referring to academic Anglicanism in his own circles.
I agree with what you said. 👍

That is how I interpret it and why I posted.
 
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