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Yup. But none of his beliefs contradicted Catholic teaching. So, he was really Catholic, he just didn’t know it!
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My work has been on the sources for the Book of Mormon, the same kind of intuitive thing one might use for looking at the relationship between Tolkien and Lewis. 
Since I have gotten what I wanted out the BOM work, that could be a new, less controversial (at least in the US) area of extracurricular study. 
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Lewis could have been threatened by Tolkien’s unfettered imagination, not obviously using Christian traditions in his writing. But Tolkien’s anger at the misusage of “lembas” indicates there was Christian meaning in LOTR.
Since I have gotten what I wanted out the BOM work, that could be a new, less controversial (at least in the US) area of extracurricular study. Thanks.Lewis could have been threatened by Tolkien’s unfettered imagination, not obviously using Christian traditions in his writing. But Tolkien’s anger at the misusage of “lembas” indicates there was Christian meaning in LOTR.
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I disgree. The Anglicans, sorry to say, have sunken so far below the line. Ordination of women, promotion of gay marriage, contraception and abortion, etc. The Anglican church has pretty much collapsed on itself. The Lutheran Church also has divided because of this. In fact when I think of it, alot of protestant denominations have caved in under the secular pressure of things like abortion, gay marriage, and women priests just to appeal to the modernist public. Are these churches truely being led by the holy spirit? even though they are too afraid to say “NO” the the modernist secular pressure from the public? If a church dosen’t even have enough guts to say NO to things like abortion and gay marriage how can it expect to have the markings of the true church?
I actually bought CS Lewishs book for my mother for her bithday. It contains nearly all his important works, like the great divorce, screwtape letters, mere christinaity, etc. My mothers currently an agnostic and Im hoping it will help her understand more since hes such a wonderful writer
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Yep, re: lembas. But there is no suggestion of Lewis being threatened by Tolkien at all, for any reason. As I said, the alienation proceeded from Tolkien.My work has been on the sources for the Book of Mormon, the same kind of intuitive thing one might use for looking at the relationship between Tolkien and Lewis.
Lewis could have been threatened by Tolkien’s unfettered imagination, not obviously using Christian traditions in his writing. But Tolkien’s anger at the misusage of “lembas” indicates there was Christian meaning in LOTR.
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Jerusha
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I definitely need to research the subject. As I said, a substitute obsession. :newidea:
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So, the Catholic Christian meaning for LOTR is that the Church must continue to combat false doctrines and evil, or else the Church, as in that other reality, would have Sauron as pope, and Gandalf as anti-pope, and we would be forced to destroy the “one ring that binds them all”, created for good, but wielding too much power for man to handle. 
Heavy.
Native Americans identify strongly with the stereotypical horsemen of the plains, the Rohorrim (sp?) Perhaps the books inspired my journey.
Perhaps Lewis discovered this meaning, which caused the break.
Heavy.
Native Americans identify strongly with the stereotypical horsemen of the plains, the Rohorrim (sp?) Perhaps the books inspired my journey.
Perhaps Lewis discovered this meaning, which caused the break.
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Hooper (a genuine Lewis authority, certainly) says a lot of things. He now sits at the center of a vast enterprise, in control of the Lewis legacy and bringing forth Lewis works of dubious provenance. And almost everything he says about his relationship with Lewis “in the last part of Lewis’ life” is not only suspect, but often demonstrably inaccurate. Lindskoog’s 2 books, esp. the second one (an expansion of the first) document this. And even before I had heard of Lindskoog, back in the late 60s, I was aware that the timeline Hooper laid out for his interaction with Lewis, in 1963, couldn’t be accurate. I scratched my head and forgot about it.
Hooper had been pursuing Orders before he met Lewis, going back to 1957-1959. He was ordained, in a rather odd manner, in 1964, and the desire to be able say a Mass for Lewis might have been part of it.
I recommend Lindskoog’s LIGHT IN THE SHADOWLANDS, to see the magnitude of the potential problem. Certainly no one would claim that every point Lindskoog made is correct. But the problem is that, on the salient points, about the relationship with Lewis, the bonfire, the provenance of much of the posthumous works now published, what happened to Warren, the contradiction of Hooper by several persons who were in the middle of the business 45 years ago, she has not been engaged, she has been attacked. It is a sad story. Many of the people involved in this are folks I respect, whose works on Lewis line my shelves. One very minor participant in the saga is a friend of a friend of mine; one was at one time a slight acquaintance of mine. It is sad.
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No.So, the Catholic Christian meaning for LOTR is that the Church must continue to combat false doctrines and evil, or else the Church, as in that other reality, would have Sauron as pope, and Gandalf as anti-pope, and we would be forced to destroy the “one ring that binds them all”, created for good, but wielding too much power for man to handle.
Heavy.
Native Americans identify strongly with the stereotypical horsemen of the plains, the Rohorrim (sp?) Perhaps the books inspired my journey.
Perhaps Lewis discovered this meaning, which caused the break.
And that would be “Rohirrim”.
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Jerusha
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Well, I will head in this new direction. Please continue correcting me.
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Ok. I suggest some reading. Start with Carpenter’s book on the Inklings, if you ahven’t. Sayer’s book on Lewis is also good.
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Jerusha
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Will do. Thanks.
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About a year ago I heard an Evangelical Protestant assure us all that Lewis would DEFINITELY have come to "accept Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior and put the final seal of approval on his faith.Yes, he was Anglican. Joseph Pearce has written about Lewis’ relationship to the Catholic Church, and, as I remember it, his conclusion was that Lewis had a lot of childhood Ulster Protestant anti-Catholic baggage that would surface now and then throughout his life. There is no question that Lewis’ theology was very Catholic (moreso than a great many actual Catholics today). Further, his one-time personal secretary and now trustee and literary advisor of Lewis’ estate, Walter Hooper, has stated that he believes Lewis would have come into the Catholic Church had he lived longer and witnessed the disintegration (my word) of the Anglican church. Hooper did come into the Church in 1988.
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And then, of course, there was the verdict of old Bob Jones, Senior (of Bob Jones University fame), who said of Lewis ''That man does smoke and that man does drink. But I do believe that man is a Christian".
Could be.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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My work has been on the sources for the Book of Mormon, the same kind of intuitive thing one might use for looking at the relationship between Tolkien and Lewis.
Lewis could have been threatened by Tolkien’s unfettered imagination, not obviously using Christian traditions in his writing. But Tolkien’s anger at the misusage of “lembas” indicates there was Christian meaning in LOTR.
The BoM works best (IMO) as a work of imaginative fiction: to adapt Tolkien’s words, as “a myth for America”. Someone ought to unify all the narrative matter in that & other such books - the resulting story would have a truly epic sweep, with its council in heaven, uxorious deities, voyages, visions, battles, sieges & what-not
But that is not how Mormons would view it, of course.
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I think is is unfair to condemn an entire community because of the errant views and practices of some of their members. If that were the case, sadly Catholicism would fail too.
I know of many devout Anglicans and Lutherans who reject all the abberations you list above.
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I wonder if Orson Scott Card’s Alvin Maker series might be considered something a little along those lines.
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