C.S. Lewis

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That’s a generally fair assessment, though it seems to me that Lewis offered a more personal relationship to the characters than did Pullman. With the Materials, there’s no character who has any real agency. They are merely tools he uses (great way to describe it, by the way) to preach his end. I didn’t get quite that same sense from Narnia. Eustace was the first “antagonist” who I ever felt empathy for. You can’t help but (guiltily) relate to Susan’s lack of faith. The Pevensies show growth – even literally as they physically age. Those children are real in the imaginations of so many children in our world.
Your last sentence is undeniably true. I have seen it in my own family. That shows (a) that Lewis was a fine writer and (b) I have been unable to impose my own literary prejudices on my children – why, the other day I caught my daughter (she is adult now, of course) reading an Agatha Christie: a crime that should be punishable at law!
 
Your last sentence is undeniably true. I have seen it in my own family. That shows (a) that Lewis was a fine writer and (b) I have been unable to impose my own literary prejudices on my children – why, the other day I caught my daughter (she is adult now, of course) reading an Agatha Christie: a crime that should be punishable at law!
Ah! Why’d you let your children fall into that Mousetrap?

I worked for a theatre that was commited to doing all the Christies. So committed that they couldn’t even spell ‘theater’ the proper American way. We even did Ahknaten. The blue hairs sold it out each year, of course, but it was painful to listen to each night. Do you like expository dialogue? Not yet, you don’t! Here, have more! How about the same stock characters? Not familiar enough with the wise old woman? Here she is again! It’s tiresome. Much like Pullman.
 
Oh goodness me, I hope not – that looks awful. Neither Lewis nor Pullman could write as cringe-makingly as that!
Oh, so it’s just Catholic authors, is it? :mad:

Just kidding. I’m actually not too surprised when a non-Catholic doesn’t like Pierced By A Sword. (If anything, I’m surprised when a non-Catholic *does *like it.)
Let me try again.
Pilgrim’s Progress, Animal Farm etc are allegories. It is intended that the moral should be prominent, the characterisation less so. Fine.
Other books may be written where the novel stands as a novel, with human characterisation and growth visible, but with a clear moral compass: Pride and Prejudice, Lord of the Rings, The Way We Live Now, Huckleberry Finn. (I would add Swallows and Amazons for anyone who read and remembers).
If one writes a novel which attempts to convince of a religious truth rather than exhibit a moral truth there will be a danger that it will fall somewhere between the allegory and the true novel. It’s a matter of judgement, of course, whether a book does that or not. In my view Narnia tends that way. And for some reason I find any drift towards depicting children simply as symbols distasteful. I accept that may be just an especially weird characteristic of mine.
Alright. I think it mostly comes down to my needing to reread Narnia books to see if I agree with you.
 
Ah - then can we not use Pierced as a shibboleth? Could we not force these Catholic Evangelical Lutherans and Anglo-Catholics to read it and pronounce? Might settle things. 😉
 
Your last sentence is undeniably true. I have seen it in my own family. That shows (a) that Lewis was a fine writer and (b) I have been unable to impose my own literary prejudices on my children – why, the other day I caught my daughter (she is adult now, of course) reading an Agatha Christie: a crime that should be punishable at law!
Have I mentioned that I collect Golden Age mysteries, including Dame Agatha, and own her complete works (not including the Westmacotts?
 
Oh goodness me, I hope not – that looks awful. Neither Lewis nor Pullman could write as cringe-makingly as that!

Let me try again.

Pilgrim’s Progress, Animal Farm etc are allegories. It is intended that the moral should be prominent, the characterisation less so. Fine.

Other books may be written where the novel stands as a novel, with human characterisation and growth visible, but with a clear moral compass: Pride and Prejudice, Lord of the Rings, The Way We Live Now, Huckleberry Finn. (I would add Swallows and Amazons for anyone who read and remembers).

If one writes a novel which attempts to convince of a religious truth rather than exhibit a moral truth there will be a danger that it will fall somewhere between the allegory and the true novel. It’s a matter of judgement, of course, whether a book does that or not. In my view Narnia tends that way. And for some reason I find any drift towards depicting children simply as symbols distasteful. I accept that may be just an especially weird characteristic of mine.
I have long wanted to read SWALLOWS AND AMAZONS.

Nesbit I’ve long appreciated. Am listening to a radio adaptation of FIVE CHILDREN AND IT, currently
 
Have I mentioned that I collect Golden Age mysteries, including Dame Agatha, and own her complete works (not including the Westmacotts?
Good gracious, I think you have mentioned it. I am all in favour of the Golden Age mysteries by Miss Allingham, Dr Sayers, Dame Ngaio, and, leaving the distaff side, M. Innes and E. Crispin. But Dame Agatha, while productive, seems to me … Oh, why don’t I just shut up!
 
I have long wanted to read SWALLOWS AND AMAZONS.

Nesbit I’ve long appreciated. Am listening to a radio adaptation of FIVE CHILDREN AND IT, currently
Splendid.

There are 12 volumes of the S&A books looking at me just above the sofa now. Plus an unfinished 13th. AR was an interesting bloke, too.
 
Good gracious, I think you have mentioned it. I am all in favour of the Golden Age mysteries by Miss Allingham, Dr Sayers, Dame Ngaio, and, leaving the distaff side, M. Innes and E. Crispin. But Dame Agatha, while productive, seems to me … Oh, why don’t I just shut up!
I never remember these things.

But, Queen, Freeman, Post, Van Dine, Carr…

I account Crofts the beginning of the GA. And, of course, Dame Agatha.

Love’em all.
 
Splendid.

There are 12 volumes of the S&A books looking at me just above the sofa now. Plus an unfinished 13th. AR was an interesting bloke, too.
We be of one blood, ye and I.

I must follow up on a forgotten whim: Ransome.
 
It’s nice to know the folks on this forum are (apparently very) literate.
 
I have long wanted to read SWALLOWS AND AMAZONS.

Nesbit I’ve long appreciated. Am listening to a radio adaptation of FIVE CHILDREN AND IT, currently
If you read Swallows and Amazons, I would appreciate your assessment. After reading 3219 of your posts, I think I can calibrate your findings and decide if it is worth my time. Since people on this thread have talked about Ravi, who I did not know about, I will try to check him out.

40 years ago I was car pooling with a Baptist woman; GARBC Baptist, which is pretty conservative, if that is right word. I asked her for her 10 favorite Christian writers, and she asked for mine. C. S. Lewis was not just the only name on both our lists;

he was the only one both of us had ever heard of.

Oh, God do we need him today!
 
If you read Swallows and Amazons, I would appreciate your assessment. After reading 3219 of your posts, I think I can calibrate your findings and decide if it is worth my time. Since people on this thread have talked about Ravi, who I did not know about, I will try to check him out.

40 years ago I was car pooling with a Baptist woman; GARBC Baptist, which is pretty conservative, if that is right word. I asked her for her 10 favorite Christian writers, and she asked for mine. C. S. Lewis was not just the only name on both our lists;

he was the only one both of us had ever heard of.

Oh, God do we need him today!
I’ll take one each Lewis and Chesterton. We should be so lucky.

I appreciate your appreciation. I will start with the first book, which seems to be readily available, unless Picky has a better idea. And I’ll say what I see, for what it’s worth. Got a book to order next week. Will add this.

I had stumbled over Ransome, somehow, a few years ago. And forgot to follow up to see if, like others I have stumbled on, he was worth checking out.

I hope the 3200 posts were among the useful. A lot of mine are “Yep”, “Motley” and “Decree of nullity”.
 
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