CA help me to answer this suspision

[Paul_89_33]

stbruno thank you for the site i check it
Liraco thank’s again brother
God bless you all

 

[murtad]

That’s what we’re here for.

And yes, you’re right: Catholics DON’T worship Mary. God bless you and may your friends come to understand the Truth.

Even if at first they seem to refuse to believe, pray for them!

Worship and pray are two different words and both do not mean the same thing. Check HTI.UMICH.EDU and look up RSV online and search these words. In the Bible, you worship GOD our Father, Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit alone, as they are the Three Persons of the Holy Trinity. But you do not worship St Mary or St Paul, rather you pray to them.

 

[buecherwurm]

Dear Paul,

how wonderful that you are studying the Christian faith! May the Holy spirit enlighten you!

I´m a waterproof Catholic, theologian an wife of a catholic deacon (and sorry, I´m not a native speaker) - AND I NEVER HAVE WORSHIPPED MARY! But of course I have asked her to pray für me! Look in your bible: “Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. 2Let us fix our eyes on Jesus …,” (Hebrews 12,1-2)
The witnesses mentioned before are Abraham, Sara, Isaak, Jacob, Moses - they are all passed in New Testament times, aren´t they? But “we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses…”.
The verb is in presence. It ist now, that we, you and I, are surrounded. It is my most loved biblical hint for the saints - Mary is the most important of them. Maybe our fans in the race produce quite a great noise especially to strenghten us!
But perhaps another thougth might help you: Imagine a normal living person (perhaps you know one?), his or her deep Christian faith is impressing you. Isn´t it quite natural to ask this person, to pray for you in your struggles? Even hardcore Evangelicals have no problems to ask others for prayer.This is exactly, what we Catholics do, when we ask Mary (or other saints) to pray for us. Nothing really mystical, if you take the word in it´s negative sense.

May God bless you, and please fox your eyes on Jesus!

 

[PhilotheaZ]

Mon frère en Jesus-Christ,

Je vous conseille de lire le “Traité de la Vraie Dévotion à la Sainte Vierge” sitedemarie.com/traite/traitetm.htm écrit par le Saint Louis de Montfort, prêtre français, au début du 18e siècle. Il a écrit:

Jésus-Christ notre Sauveur, vrai Dieu et vrai homme, doit être la fin dernière de toutes nos autres dévotions ; autrement elles seraient fausses et trompeuses … Il n’a point été donné d’autre nom sous le ciel, que le nom de Jésus, par lequel nous devions être sauvés …

Si donc nous établissons la solide dévotion de la très sainte Vierge, ce n'est que pour établir plus parfaitement celle de Jésus-Christ ; ce n'est que pour donner un moyen aisé et assuré pour trouver Jésus-Christ. Si la dévotion à la sainte Vierge éloignait de Jésus-Christ, il faudrait la rejeter, comme une illusion du diable ; mais tant s'en faut, qu'au contraire, comme j’ai déjà fait voir et ferai voir encore ci-après, cette dévotion ne nous est nécessaire que pour trouver Jésus-Christ parfaitement, l'aimer tendrement, et le servir fidèlement. (¶61-62)

 

[NeedImprovement]

Hi Paul _89_33 . …Welcome !

These links will give you a general overview (in french).

**Lumen Gentium **- on this link go to the heading *II - RÔLE DE LA SAINTE VIERGE DANS L’ÉCONOMIE DU SALUT *, and read sections 55-69 :

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_fr.html

This next one, **Marialis Cultus **is also a fairly in-depth document :
abbaye-saint-benoit.ch/Bibliotheque/divers/marialiscultus.htm

God bless.

 

[Paul_89_33]

• buecherwurm

thank’s a looooooooooooooot sister for your awesome reply
really strange reply i’ll not add anythong just a wonderfull text from Bible
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not [the God] of the dead, but of the living

• PhilotheaZ

merci beaucoup mon frère en Jesus Christ pour citer les paroles du Saint Louis de Montfort c’est vraiment trés util pour moi
avez vous pas autres paroles des autres pretres catholiques ou des Papes ?
et merci beacoup

• NeedImprovement

thank’s alot and yes the links are so importants
thank you again

 

[Areala]

Catholics venerate, or honor, Mary in prayer and song. Some people mistake prayer and veneration for worship, but they aren‘t the same thing. Prayer is simply entering into communication with a holy spirit. Veneration is giving special honor to a saint. Worship is for God alone, and Catholics worship only God through the mass.

 

[Paul_89_33]

Please check this dangerous link

jdisciple.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/heretical-marian-worship/

 

[Trishie]

Jesus loves and values Mary.
Perhaps this love that Jesus has for Mary may help you to feel more comfortable about her place in the Church.

At the Wedding feast of Cana, Mary pointed out to Jesus that the hosts of the wedding feast were running out of wine. It wasn’t a matter of life or death, but certainly one of losing face, embaressment fot the family. Jesus at first protested at the notion of helping in this. He reminded His mother that it was not yet time for Him to begin His public mission.'My time has not yet come." Mary, woman of faith, simply told the servant to do whatever Jesus told them to…and he worked the miracle of changing water into wine anyway, ahead of planned time for public miracles, just because his mother asked Him to. ( John 1:1-12)

This encourages us to ask Mary sometimes to add her prayers to ours when we have a request for Jesus. It has a biblical basis to do so.

One of the last things Jesus did as He hung in agony on the cross, was to provide a carer and a home for His mother. “When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” And from that moment the disciple made a place for her in his home” ( John 19:26-27)

Clearly He loves her, and also because of this scripture, whe He gave her to another as mother and son, we tend to view Mary as our mother too.

God bless you…Trishie

 

[Liraco]

Please check this dangerous link

jdisciple.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/heretical-marian-worship/

That is rather odd (especially the video below). That does NOT look anything like a Catholic Church.
-There is no altar.
-There is no crucifix.
-It just looks like a chapel with a giant statue of Mary.
-I don’t see any of the people doing a sign of the cross.

Of course this could all be taken out of context (kissing or touching a statue is not uncommon practice in some places and it does NOT mean worship). Perhaps the actual church looks different and this is just a side chapel with a statue of Mary. Remember that the enemies of the church can twist anything to make it seem like they do or say something else. We see it in the news all the time, so why not here?

Without any further info, all I can say is that it’s either not Catholic or this is all taken grossly out of context (to make it appear as worship to Mary).

 

[Paul_89_33]

thank’s brother
very persuaded
thank’s again

 

[PJM]

Peace of Christ be with you all
first i’m newbie here i’m christian … last days i hear from many sides thats catholics worship St Mary
that’s false of course … i want that’s you’ll help me to denial this suspision according to Papes speechs and ecumenical conferences and apologists answers … etc
for when anyone say thats catho worship mary i’ll convice him
thank you all

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The “Hail Mary Prayer and the Bible”

James 5: “The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects”

2 Thess. 2: 1 “To this end we always pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his call, and may fulfill every good resolve and work of faith by his power, 12 so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. “

2 Cor. 9: 14 “while they long for you and pray for you, because of the surpassing grace of God in you.
“Hail Mary Full of grace”

Luke 22: [Jesus speaking] 39 “And he came out, and went, as was his custom, to the Mount of Olives; and the disciples followed him. 40 And when he came to the place he said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.”

Luke 1: 26 “In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!”

“The LORD is with thee”

Luke 1: 34 “And Mary said to the angel, “How shall this be, since I have no husband?” 35 And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.

“Blessed are you among [all] women”

Luke 1: 39 “In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a city of Judah, 40 and she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. 41 And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit 42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!

“And Blessed be the fruit of YOUR womb…. JESUS!”

Luke 1:43 "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy.

“Holy Mary”

Luke 1: 28 “And he came to her and said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!”

Luke 1: 46 “And Mary said, "My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, 48 for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed;”

“Mother of God”

Luke 1: 35 “And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.

“Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.” AMEN!

This is biblically founded in 2 Mac. Chapter 12: 39 “On the next day, as by that time it had become necessary, Judas and his men went to take up the bodies of the fallen and to bring them back to lie with their kinsmen in the sepulchres of their fathers. 40 Then under the tunic of every one of the dead they found sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. And it became clear to all that this was why these men had fallen. 41 So they all blessed the ways of the Lord, the righteous Judge, who reveals the things that are hidden; 42 and they turned to prayer, beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out. And the noble Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen. 43 He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. 44 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. 45 But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.”

Now you too are able to see that prayers, including the “Hail Mary” are solidly founded on the bible. What else would you have us prove?

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