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HMSVictory
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I can only imagine how screwed up the poor homosexuals you minister to are… Kinda like the Cat telling the mouse everything will be OK
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Lapey
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Ok, and we are the angry ones?
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Lapey
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What would Jesus tell a homosexual, truth with love or lies with love. Each would be delivered in true Christ like love. Which would you choose to share?
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HMSVictory
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And now you are portending to put yourself in the place of Christ ? Maybe he will send them a Private Message so no one else knows what they said ???
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Lapey
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Stop rejecting and answer the question.
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KendraDZ1902
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Umm…all caps equals yelling. Take a chill pill, dude.
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Abu
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The pick and choose, self–described “Catholic” needs to listen to Christ Himself:
“if he refuses to hear even the Church let him be like the heathen and a publican.” (Mt 18:17).
And the Church teaches through Her CCC:
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
Extolling dissenting “priests” explains the animosity to Christ and His Church.
“if he refuses to hear even the Church let him be like the heathen and a publican.” (Mt 18:17).
And the Church teaches through Her CCC:
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
Extolling dissenting “priests” explains the animosity to Christ and His Church.
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JackieO123
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That is an assumption with little basis. I disagree with homosexual marriage; Catholics tend to do such, because it’s a belief of ours founded by Jesus Christ. The church doesn’t change with the trends of society. If you truly want to be with a church that approves of homosexual lifestyles, why not join the Episcopal church?
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marymary1975
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Well, one point specifically with regard to abortion, I have heard from a couple of priests that anyone who actively procures an abortion or has an abortion is automatically excommunicated so there may be some excommunicated Catholics that are not fully aware of it.
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marymary1975
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I would like to know why you and ceason think that telling someone that their actions are wrong and they are commiting a sin equates with being hateful and disliking a person. So if I have a friend who is a heroin addict and I tell my friend that shooting heroin into himself is wrong and he needs to stop doing it, am I a hateful person? Does that mean I dislike my friend?DannyGR: is it just me or do you dislike gays ?
If I think that the shooter that did the shooting in the Connecticut elementary school sinned and did wrong, then you think I am hateful and not Christian because I believe his actions are deplorable?
Pointing out that actions are sinful has nothing to do with being hateful or disliking someone. In fact, not pointing out to someone you know that they are doing wrong that is disliking person because if you know that that person is doing wrong and you care about that person, you have to tell them what are they doing wrong because you want the best for them, if you don’t means you are totally careless about that person and that is why as Catholics we have a duty of fraternal correction.
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kmcarl56
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I just want to spank some of you sometimes! :tsktsk:
For those who are not leading a complete Christian life (the so-called cafeteria catholics) [as if we are 24/7/365], would it not be better to talk to them and explain the error of their ways instead of just excommunicating them? Wouldn’t it be better to set an example of the love, understanding and compassion God wants us to express to our brothers and sisters in Christ?
It is **never **our place to judge another human being’s actions or spirituality. It is our job here on earth to bring people to Christ, not run them away.
For those who are not leading a complete Christian life (the so-called cafeteria catholics) [as if we are 24/7/365], would it not be better to talk to them and explain the error of their ways instead of just excommunicating them? Wouldn’t it be better to set an example of the love, understanding and compassion God wants us to express to our brothers and sisters in Christ?
It is **never **our place to judge another human being’s actions or spirituality. It is our job here on earth to bring people to Christ, not run them away.
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Lapey
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I think you have this wrong, and the Church and scripture are also opposed to your implications here. We are most definitely called to judge actions; and we are forbidden to judge souls. Some of the actions we take publicly as a Catholic does in fact carry automatic excommunication. To enter into a same sex “marriage” is one of those ways.I just want to spank some of you sometimes! :tsktsk:
For those who are not leading a complete Christian life (the so-called cafeteria catholics) [as if we are 24/7/365], would it not be better to talk to them and explain the error of their ways instead of just excommunicating them? Wouldn’t it be better to set an example of the love, understanding and compassion God wants us to express to our brothers and sisters in Christ?
It is **never **our place to judge another human being’s actions or spirituality. It is our job here on earth to bring people to Christ, not run them away.
If we run them away with truth, there is a chance for their soul. If we concrete them in the sin there is no chance of conversion and therefore much less a chance for their soul to be saved.
Being nice and securing others in error is a gravely wrong and mean thing to do. Remember to visualize eternity with or without God, not life here with or without free choice to do whatever makes me happy. The latter does affect the first.
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InSearchofGrace
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What do our Popes say about Cafeteria Catholics?
As part of his homily on June 10, 2013, Pope Francis said this:
“This is salvation: to live in the consolation of the Holy Spirit, not the consolation of the spirit of this world. No, that is not salvation, that is sin. Salvation is moving forward and opening our hearts so they can receive the Holy Spirit’s consolation, which is salvation. This is non-negotiable, you can’t take a bit from here and a bit from there? We cannot pick and mix, no? A bit of the Holy Spirit, a bit of the spirit of this world … No! It’s one thing or the other.”
Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI said, "Being an adult means having a faith which does not follow the waves of today’s fashions or the latest novelties. A faith which is deeply rooted in friendship with Christ is adult and mature."
In Blessed John Paul II’s time, he also stressed the need for Catholics to maintain the fullness of the Church’s teachings and not pick and choose the teachings as they saw fit. Speaking to the Bishops of the United States at Queen of Angels Seminary in Los Angeles on September 16, 1987, Pope John Paul II stated: “It is sometimes reported that a large number of Catholics today do not adhere to the teaching of the Catholic Church on a number of questions, notably sexual and conjugal morality, divorce and remarriage. Some are reported as not accepting the clear position on abortion. *It has to be noted that there is a tendency on the part of some Catholics to be selective in their adherence to the Church’s moral teaching. It is sometimes claimed that dissent from the magisterium is totally compatible with being a ‘good Catholic,’ and poses no obstacle *to the reception of the Sacraments. This is a grave error that challenges the teaching of the Bishops in the United States and elsewhere.”
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As part of his homily on June 10, 2013, Pope Francis said this:
“This is salvation: to live in the consolation of the Holy Spirit, not the consolation of the spirit of this world. No, that is not salvation, that is sin. Salvation is moving forward and opening our hearts so they can receive the Holy Spirit’s consolation, which is salvation. This is non-negotiable, you can’t take a bit from here and a bit from there? We cannot pick and mix, no? A bit of the Holy Spirit, a bit of the spirit of this world … No! It’s one thing or the other.”
Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI said, "Being an adult means having a faith which does not follow the waves of today’s fashions or the latest novelties. A faith which is deeply rooted in friendship with Christ is adult and mature."
In Blessed John Paul II’s time, he also stressed the need for Catholics to maintain the fullness of the Church’s teachings and not pick and choose the teachings as they saw fit. Speaking to the Bishops of the United States at Queen of Angels Seminary in Los Angeles on September 16, 1987, Pope John Paul II stated: “It is sometimes reported that a large number of Catholics today do not adhere to the teaching of the Catholic Church on a number of questions, notably sexual and conjugal morality, divorce and remarriage. Some are reported as not accepting the clear position on abortion. *It has to be noted that there is a tendency on the part of some Catholics to be selective in their adherence to the Church’s moral teaching. It is sometimes claimed that dissent from the magisterium is totally compatible with being a ‘good Catholic,’ and poses no obstacle *to the reception of the Sacraments. This is a grave error that challenges the teaching of the Bishops in the United States and elsewhere.”
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