CAFOD: an official agency of the CC?

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CAFOD, the Catholic Agency for Overseas Development, is the official overseas development and relief agency of the Catholic Church in England and Wales.
What? :confused: I’m pretty sure they are wrong. CAFOD is certainly not an official agency of the Church in England and Wales. Please, could you confirm it?
 
Hmmm, I don’t know…

It’s worrying me thought. I’m not planning to support CAFOD. They claim to be Catholic but their aproach is certainly not very orthodox.
Consequently CAFOD asks all partners working in the area of HIV prevention to give individuals full information about all means of HIV prevention and that this advice is scientifically correct. A person must be able to make decisions about preventing HIV transmission that are consistent with their religious convictions and based on their knowledge and understanding of the risks of their individual situation.
(cf CAFOD’s website: CAFOD position on condoms and HIV prevention*)
In other words they say that it is OK to tell people that one thing that they can do is to use condoms as long as they don’t distribute them. That’s outrageous from an organization that claims to be Catholic! What’s next, are they going to support doctors telling people about abortions while refraining from offering any services so they can “stay Catholic”? 😦

*cafod.org.uk/var/storage/original/application/phpqfUjG6.pdf
 
Wouldn’t all accurate information include the failure rate for condoms? Given the potential consequences of that failure, the rational decision of a person given full and accurate information would be NOT to rely on condoms for AIDS prevention. The safe and effective stategy is abstinence.
 
Wouldn’t all accurate information include the failure rate for condoms? Given the potential consequences of that failure, the rational decision of a person given full and accurate information would be NOT to rely on condoms for AIDS prevention. The safe and effective stategy is abstinence.
Yes, I agree. I’m not saying that you should lie about condoms. That is certainly wrong. I have an issue with the fact that they are ok with educating people about condoms. As Catholics they shouldn’t give people this option. Using condoms is immoral.
 
Yes, I agree. I’m not saying that you should lie about condoms. That is certainly wrong. I have an issue with the fact that they are ok with educating people about condoms. As Catholics they shouldn’t give people this option. Using condoms is immoral.
Why should Catholics fear any truthful information? I would hope a Catholic group would also explain our whole teaching on marriage and sexuality when and where that is appropriate, giving the proper context for that information.

A long time ago, when I attended a Catholic College, we were taught both the scientific facts and the moral and theological aspects of sexuality, genetics, and evolution. The professor was so honest that he even admitted that we did not have the scientific evidence to refute some of the scientific theories at that time. Only in the last few years has the scientific knowledge advanced to give more credibility to the Catholic doctrine that we are all descended from a single pair of human beings. We still can’t prove faith with science, nor do we need to, but dealing honestly with the facts strengthens faith; it does not weaken faith.
 
Why should Catholics fear any truthful information? I would hope a Catholic group would also explain our whole teaching on marriage and sexuality when and where that is appropriate, giving the proper context for that information.
That’s not the issue as I said in the last post. The issue is that you don’t give people options that are immoral. We are all bind by same morality and suggesting immoral choices to others is wrong.You don’t tell a girl that is struggling with pregnancy that she can a) have an abortion or b) find a pregnancy counselor. And that is even if you tell them that abortion is wrong. A) is simply not an option for anyone and thus we it is wrong to offer it to other people (whether they agree or not).
 
That’s not the issue as I said in the last post. The issue is that you don’t give people options that are immoral. We are all bind by same morality and suggesting immoral choices to others is wrong.You don’t tell a girl that is struggling with pregnancy that she can a) have an abortion or b) find a pregnancy counselor. And that is even if you tell them that abortion is wrong. A) is simply not an option for anyone and thus we it is wrong to offer it to other people (whether they agree or not).
Providing full and accurate information is not suggesting that all choices are morally equal. There is plenty of inaccurate information around, and some of that is provided intentionally by the people who will then tell you that all choices are equal or morally irrelevant.

Abortions and contraceptives are not some kind of secret that we can keep hidden. The biggest problems are that the people have already been given inaccurate information and lack the moral foundation to make moral decisions. We need to work on both of those problems. Providing truthful information will enable people to make the right decision. We have nothing to fear from the truth. Catholic doctrine is never in conflict with the truth.

If you had accurate information on condoms, would you bet your life on a little piece of latex? I would not.
 
Providing full and accurate information is not suggesting that all choices are morally equal.
No, it’s not. If someone asks me whether condoms slower the spread of HIV I will say yes.
There is plenty of inaccurate information around, and some of that is provided intentionally by the people who will then tell you that all choices are equal or morally irrelevant.
Sure, and that is wrong. But you miss my point. If someone asks about what he can do to prevent AIDS, you shouldn’t tell him that one option is to use condoms (even thought you tell him that he should go for the “better” choices or something like that). Use of condoms is simply never an option and it should NEVER be presented as such. You don’t include assassination as an option when people want to know how to get rid of a bad high school teacher.
Abortions and contraceptives are not some kind of secret that we can keep hidden. The biggest problems are that the people have already been given inaccurate information and lack the moral foundation to make moral decisions.
The incorrect information they are often given have nothing to do with morality but rational decision that excludes every moral decision.
We need to work on both of those problems. Providing truthful information will enable people to make the right decision.
Yes, but the truth is that using condoms is morally wrong. If you want to tell people this then that’s great. But presenting condoms as one of the options for combating AIDS is wrong.
We have nothing to fear from the truth. Catholic doctrine is never in conflict with the truth.
See, but I’m have nothing against truth. I never said we should lie, mystify or whatever else.
If you had accurate information on condoms, would you bet your life on a little piece of latex? I would not.
You fall into the small minority. But even if that were true you will not win the war by making people stop using condoms because they are “not good enough”. The war will be won when people will stop using them because using them is evil.
 
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I don’t think the war will be won until there is no excuse available for condoms–when we choose to have sex only within a mutually faithful marriage that is open to the creation of new life.
 
I don’t think the war will be won until there is no excuse available for condoms–when we choose to have sex only within a mutually faithful marriage that is open to the creation of new life.
That’s what I’m saying. 👍

“The aid offered by the West to developing countries has been purely technically and materially based, and not only has left God out of the picture, but has driven men away from God. And this aid, proudly claiming to “know better”, is itself what first turned the “third world” into what we mean today by that term.” (Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth, Chap 2, pp. 33)

“The idea was that we could turn stones into bread; our “aid” instead has only given stones in place of bread.” (Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth, Chap 2, pp. 33)
 
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