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I am reading your posts on the subject and I am amazed how childish your beliefs are. I cannot remember anyone from the friends of mine (all Catholics) who would believe the literal meaning of the history of Adam and Eve, Cain, Abel etc. Of course this is all symbolic. Any other point of view cannot be treated as serious.
All those speculations about Cain marrying his sister or cousin is really very funny.
 
I am reading your posts on the subject and I am amazed how childish your beliefs are. I cannot remember anyone from the friends of mine (all Catholics) who would believe the literal meaning of the history of Adam and Eve, Cain, Abel etc. Of course this is all symbolic. Any other point of view cannot be treated as serious.
All those speculations about Cain marrying his sister or cousin is really very funny.
Pardon me. Unfortunately, there are many Catholics who do not understand what is Catholic doctrine and what is not.

And that is absolutely not funny at all. In fact, not understanding the personal reality of Adam can be really serious in terms of the reality of eternal life.

Has the idea of your spiritual, immortal, eternal soul, first seen in Adam, also gone down the symbolic drain?

Blessings,
granny

God is real.
 
Has the idea of your spiritual, immortal, eternal soul, first seen in Adam, also gone down the symbolic drain?

Blessings,
granny

God is real.
From this story, I mean the creation of Adam and Eve, we should get only general conclusions: that the man was created in the likeness of God, that he is something special among other creatures and that he has a spiritual element in himself. We do not have to believe literally in this naive story meant for people of different conscience and knowledge.
 
From this story, I mean the creation of Adam and Eve, we should get only general conclusions: that the man was created in the likeness of God, that he is something special among other creatures and that he has a spiritual element in himself. We do not have to believe literally in this naive story meant for people of different conscience and knowledge.
I understand this popular non-catholic view.

First, one needs to separate out the reality of God in Genesis. Is God only a general conclusion? If so, why?

The first Catholic doctrine is the belief in a real God. The second doctrine is “Creator of heaven and earth”. (from the Apostle’s Creed) These two truths begin Sacred Scripture and are meant for all, absolutely all, human beings.

If any person sees these truths as only general conclusions based on some kind of naive symbolism, how can this person claim to be Catholic? How can this person claim to be Catholic when the following truths involve human nature as being above and beyond all other creatures? “Something special among other creatures” doesn’t cut it when it comes to belief in Jesus Christ.

Following from post 23, if the general conclusion is that man has a spiritual element in himself, which remains unknown since the first man is considered as not being literal, what happens to heaven and hell? What happens to us?

Blessings,
granny

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From this story, I mean the creation of Adam and Eve, we should get only general conclusions: that the man was created in the likeness of God, that he is something special among other creatures and that he has a spiritual element in himself. We do not have to believe literally in this naive story meant for people of different conscience and knowledge.
What has been the constant teaching and understanding of Adam and Eve by the Church?

Do you have a citation as to when it changed?
 
If any person sees these truths as only general conclusions based on some kind of naive symbolism, how can this person claim to be Catholic? How can this person claim to be Catholic when the following truths involve human nature as being above and beyond all other creatures? “Something special among other creatures” doesn’t cut it when it comes to belief in Jesus Christ.
If being Catholic means to believe in everything what the Catholic Church says with no reservation, so maybe I am not Catholic, maybe I am closer to agnosticism, but I just cannot believe in something without having at least my own explanation for it. To me, to have faith means to have knowledge, my own, inner, private knowledge or a kind of explanation for myself. I cannot believe in something, that does not fit the whole, that is inconsequent or illogical from this point of view.
There are many roads leading us to God. Catholicism is only one of them. We, humans are not able to understand God. We can only draw general conclusions basing on what we see, what we hear and what we read. Therefore no religion, including Catholic can be right about God and His work in every single detail. We simply do not know. And we will not know until our death. So let us have our own, small, private world of faith, even if it does not fully correspond with the official doctrine of the Church.
 
If being Catholic means to believe in everything what the Catholic Church says with no reservation, so maybe I am not Catholic, maybe I am closer to agnosticism, but I just cannot believe in something without having at least my own explanation for it. To me, to have faith means to have knowledge, my own, inner, private knowledge or a kind of explanation for myself. I cannot believe in something, that does not fit the whole, that is inconsequent or illogical from this point of view.
There are many roads leading us to God. Catholicism is only one of them. We, humans are not able to understand God. We can only draw general conclusions basing on what we see, what we hear and what we read. Therefore no religion, including Catholic can be right about God and His work in every single detail. We simply do not know. And we will not know until our death. So let us have our own, small, private world of faith, even if it does not fully correspond with the official doctrine of the Church.
The Catholic Church possesses the"fullness of truth".

Here is a summary of Catholic Church Dogmas:

Go through them and find the ones you question. THen we can discuss.
 
The Catholic Church possesses the"fullness of truth".

Here is a summary of Catholic Church Dogmas:

Go through them and find the ones you question. THen we can discuss.
There are many dogmas, which seem to me very doubtful, but those which I cannot accept at all and/or understand are dogmas 155 - 168 (The privileges of the Mother of God and Mary’s Co-operation in the Work of the Redeemer). They are very speculative and not scripture-based. They seem to be a kind of wishful thinking.
 
There are many dogmas, which seem to me very doubtful, but those which I cannot accept at all and/or understand are dogmas 155 - 168 (The privileges of the Mother of God and Mary’s Co-operation in the Work of the Redeemer). They are very speculative and not scripture-based. They seem to be a kind of wishful thinking.
These are extracted from Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Dr Ludwig Ott, 1974. Dr. Ott has a system of ranking these teachings – see the Latin term in the parenthesis. It is my understanding that not all these teachings are official dogmas as traditionally understood. My apology, I could not find an explanation for the Latin terms.:o

trosch.org/the/ottintro.htm is another site on Dr. Ott. Dr. Ott is considered an expert authority. Another source for dogmas is the Catechism of the Catholic Church www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm – see footnotes.

Blessings,
granny

The search for truth is worthy of the adventures of the journey.
 
There are many dogmas, which seem to me very doubtful, but those which I cannot accept at all and/or understand are dogmas 155 - 168 (The privileges of the Mother of God and Mary’s Co-operation in the Work of the Redeemer). They are very speculative and not scripture-based. They seem to be a kind of wishful thinking.
Fist off - there are many teachings that are not specifically stated in the Bible. One is the bible, another is the trinity.

Catholicism is built this way:

Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium. It is like a three legged stool. Take one away and the stool falls down. The life of Christ was first orally transmitted and later written down. St John’s Gospel tells us that all Jesus said and did would fill volumes more.

Let us start here:

Gen 5:24; Heb 11:5; 2 Kings 2:1-13 … Enoch and Elijah taken to heaven.
Lk 1:28 … annunciation.
Lk 1:42-48 … blessed are you among women.
2 Tim 4:8, Jas 1:12, 1 Pet 5:4, Rev 2:10 … coronation awaits saints.
Jn 2:1-5 … Mary’s intercession.
 
We know from genetic research that all living males are descended from a single common ancestor that lived around 60,000 years ago, but the mitochondrial dna passed on by female ancestors dates to a common ancestor around 200,000 years ago. We also know that Neanderthals existed at the same time as homo sapiens, but died out around 25,000-30,000 years ago. They are also not our ancestors. What makes Adam unique, in my opinion, his that he has a soul, unlike other homonids that may have existed at the same time. Also, his line is the only one to have survived, and we inherit his sin most likely through the male line. Cain’s wife may have been from another hominid species closely related to us, but not possessing an immortal soul like the children of Adam. This may be the origin of the “children of men” known as the nephilim, whereas Adam’s descendants are called ‘‘children of God’’, since they possess a soul. Of course, this is all pure speculation on my part, and there’s no real way to prove it, but in a way I try to look at both science and religion for an explanation.
 
We know from genetic research that all living males are descended from a single common ancestor that lived around 60,000 years ago, but the mitochondrial dna passed on by female ancestors dates to a common ancestor around 200,000 years ago. We also know that Neanderthals existed at the same time as homo sapiens, but died out around 25,000-30,000 years ago. They are also not our ancestors. What makes Adam unique, in my opinion, his that he has a soul, unlike other homonids that may have existed at the same time. Also, his line is the only one to have survived, and we inherit his sin most likely through the male line. Cain’s wife may have been from another hominid species closely related to us, but not possessing an immortal soul like the children of Adam. This may be the origin of the “children of men” known as the nephilim, whereas Adam’s descendants are called ‘‘children of God’’, since they possess a soul. Of course, this is all pure speculation on my part, and there’s no real way to prove it, but in a way I try to look at both science and religion for an explanation.
Yes, you are quite right – it is speculation offered by different fields of scientific study with some of it being disputed by newer scientific studies.

One of the reasons there is speculation is that science is limited to the physical realm. When it comes to p(name removed by moderator)ointing the origin of the true fully complete human being, known as Adam, science is stopped cold. The immaterial, immortal, spiritual soul of Adam (and us) does not fit under the natural science microscope.

The basis of science is that all reality is material. Science is unable to address the uniqueness of the human species. Thus, current popular scientists chose to eliminate the spiritual uniqueness of humanity, including intellect and will.

On the other hand, Catholicism places humanity at the pinnacle of creation because human nature is an intimate union of the material body and the immaterial soul. The human person as a rational/corporeal being is peerless.

Catholicism acknowledges the contribution of “scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, paragraphs 282-289) But it does not change the doctrine that there are two real sole parents of the human species. real as in opposition to figurative or symbolic.

Use this handy link to the Catechism of the Catholic Church

Blessings,
granny

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