California ab 2943

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Denied, learn to work with what your given.
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No sale. Goodbye.
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Exactly right
 
It’s not a question of shutting down debate. It’s a question about debating a serious topic versus getting riled over nothing.

The real question has nothing to do with banning bibles. First Amendment and all that. The question is whether legislatures should either ban or require doctors to use/not use certain procedures or talk about/not talk about certain ideas.

I’m not comfortable with medically untrained legislators telling doctors how to do their jobs. I think it’s wrong in this case just as I think it’s wrong when legislatures try to ban particular methods of abortion. They don’t have the knowledge in general and certainly don’t know the individual patients involved. .They’re not looking out for the best interests of patients, they are, as usual, playing to their various bases in the hope of being re-elected.
 
Are you claiming that the proposed law under discussion here runs afoul of the Constitution? Could you cite that section please?
 
You are correct. I remember reading it yesterday. Do not remember which thread it was in.
 
So this law is aiming at banning all sexual orientation change efforts(and their promotion) for everyone? This is very disturbing. They could ban specific harmful practices, and make ethical rules, but just to ban all of it? Especially when the 2009 task report they cited stated that the research was inconclusive. When a bunch of people are doing something harmfully, you don’t ban what they are trying to achieve, you ban the way they are doing it. This would not help things, because people will end up seeking help from unprofessional people who don’t know what they are doing, instead of professionals who do.

I don’t know what I can do about it though.
 
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Still a slippery slope. I can’t wait to get out of California.
 
Actually i want to go to california just so i can preach that gay marriage is wrong just for kicks against the government.
 
“our society”? No, just the media and special interest groups. No need to participate in their society, except to point out obvious falsehoods.
 
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Actually i want to go to california just so i can preach that gay marriage is wrong just for kicks against the government.
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Don’t forget to take along your tin foil hat so that the reptilians cannot read your thoughts.
 
This bill intends to make clear that sexual orientation change efforts are an unlawful practice under California’s Consumer Legal Remedies Act.
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It doesn’t limit it to doctors. It doesn’t even mention the medical profession other than support for the bill.
 
It may not ban the bible but the potential harm of this bill should not be so easily dismissed
California Catholic Conference
AB 2943 would add the vague phrase “sexual orientation change efforts” to the section of the Civil Code which otherwise permits lawsuits for misrepresentations made in connection with the sale of items like furniture, repair services, rebates and discounts. The bill is inappropriate, too broad and unnecessary. Urge your representative to OPPOSE AB 2493.

The Consumer Legal Remedies Act (CLRA) that AB 2943 seeks to amend was intended to apply to transactions in which a seller makes misrepresentations about the nature of a product or service. At the name of the Act suggest, its aim is to provide consumers with a remedy to file civil claims against unscrupulous sellers and manufacturers, based on objective considerations (the life of a product, the nature of its quality, etc.) AB 2943 would take something completely intangible — “sexual orientation change efforts” – and add it to the CLRA. Regardless of views about sexual orientation therapy (the practice is already illegal for juveniles), why would proponents wish to take away the freedom of adults to seek counselling about such an existential issue?

The only type of therapy allowed under AB 2943 does “not seek to change sexual orientation.” People are far more complicated than that. Childhood traumas, inappropriate experiences or any number of circumstances might lead to sexual confusion. Why does healing only support one viewpoint and not what might be right for a particular person?

The broad reach of AB 2942 leaves even religious speech on same-sex attraction or activities open to potential legal action and may impinge on the basic human right of freedom of religion. For instance, AB 2943 could be interpreted to censor religious speech when there is any “financial exchange.” Does that include a donation to a church? A counselor could be open to a lawsuit if they offered to help a person who attends their church adjust their same-sex behavior or attraction to be in conformity with their religious tradition. The bill says nothing about how the therapy is “represented”, as in the Consumer Legal Remedies Act – it simply bans it outright.

Activists are always eager to find new ways to litigate for their view. With the ill-defined ideas in AB 2943, they would now have another avenue to bring action against faith-based speech with which they did not agree. The implications are staggering but the opponents of AB 2943 have brushed them aside as insignificant.
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From Rod Dreher:

“Don’t think that it will SOGI (Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity) laws are being used, and will continue to be used, to punish orthodox Christians and push us out of the public square. There are powerful forces behind these moves. Look at what’s happening not in California, but in Kansas:
A network of companies including Apple, Google and Amazon are fighting a proposal before Kansas lawmakers that would allow adoption and foster care organizations to refuse placements to gay and lesbian couples based on religious beliefs.”

The big tech companies in effect are threatening Kansas legislators with economic retaliation if they refuse to shut down Catholic adoption agencies for refusing to abide by the established LGBT religion.

www.theamericanconservative.com

Christians Scared Away From California

Fearing persecution by the state, a prominent conservative ministry cancels its conference
www.theamericanconservative.com www.theamericanconservative.com
 
I guess we will find out really soon if it is real or not.

[In Canada some priest went to jail for reading certain biblical passages.]
 
MonteRCMS said:
I guess we will find out really soon if it is real or not.

[In Canada some priest went to jail for reading certain biblical passages.]
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I’m sure I could envisage a scenario where someone could be sent to jail for quoting the bible. But could you link to it so we can check if it’s valid?
 
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