California Advances Confession Bill to Violate Sacramental Seal

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Instead of writing opinions in twitter, face book and even here…any true catholic or decent american should swamp these California’s senators and any political figure in CA with their outrage regarding this violation of our religious liberty. We should get on our phones, write , text, email and meet these politicians who are violating, abusing our religious liberty and move on this fast. Get ready catholics, let’s see who are the real catholics because our persecution is right around the corner.
 
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I know it used to be the case (or still is?) that women who had abortions were automatically excommunicated and couldn’t go to Confession with a priest. They had to go to the Bishop. Why isn’t this the case with sins of pedophilia and sexual abuse of children and minors? Maybe the Church should consider it.
 
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Pretty sure pedophiles and child sex abusers aren’t lining up at the confessionals to tell what they did and seek absolution.
Especially not to their fellow priests and colleagues at the same parish, or anyone who would know them.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
Pretty sure pedophiles and child sex abusers aren’t lining up at the confessionals to tell what they did and seek absolution.
Especially not to their fellow priests and colleagues at the same parish, or anyone who would know them.
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Really? You know this how? They could go to Confession anywhere just like I do. I go to Confession at many different places. I’m really curious how you know none of these people go to Confession for these sins. Confession is 100% anonymous if you want it to be. Please provide your sources that practicing catholic pedophiles and sexual abusers don’t confess these sins.
 
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https://www.franciscanmedia.org/ask-a-franciscan-excommunicated-for-abortion/ I think before a sweeping statement about excommunication is stated, in public view, one needs to know facts leading up to excommunication regarding abortion. It is far from as simple as you stated.
The question regarding this issue is not the evil , scandal or public safety of minors regarding sexual abuse, but that our religious liberty and our constitutional rights are being taken away and the unlawful violation of these rights regarding the sacrament of confession is what is happening in CA.
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It’s never going to happen.

No law is going to go through requiring breaking the seal of Confession.
 
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Really? You know this how? They could go to Confession anywhere just like I do.
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They sure can, and when they go to Confession to somebody who doesn’t know them from Adam, they’re not going to lead off with, "Father, I’m a priest " especially if they know that’s going to get them reported. Also if the priest in the confessional doesn’t know who they are, how does he know who to report if they stay behind the screen? He can’t call the cops and report that some guy with a deep voice confessed child abuse.

Don’t act like these people are dumb. They’re very smart and they are in huge amounts of denial. Most of them have convinced themselves they aren’t doing anything wrong, so nothing to confess, and no reason in their minds to stop their behavior.

I know this because I used to work in the criminal justice system, including on a couple of child sex abuse cases.
 
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They sure can, and when they go to Confession to somebody who doesn’t know them from Adam, they’re not going to lead off with, "Father, I’m a priest " especially if they know that’s going to get them reported. Also if the priest in the confessional doesn’t know who they are, how does he know who to report if they stay behind the screen? He can’t call the cops and report that some guy with a deep voice confessed child abuse.

Don’t act like these people are dumb. They’re very smart and they are in huge amounts of denial. Most of them have convinced themselves they aren’t doing anything wrong, so nothing to confess, and no reason in their minds to stop their behavior.

I know this because I used to work in the criminal justice system, including on a couple of child sex abuse cases.
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I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I’m not in support of this bill. Rather I’m saying sins of pedophilia and sexual abuse should be treated like abortion. If the person is aware of the teaching when they committed these acts then they would automatically be excommunicated. Requiring more than just a random confession to absolve these sins. California is taking action becuase the Church has done nothing to bring justice to these situations. And even went as far as to protect the abusers and enable them.
 
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I’m simply responding to what you said to me. I have no opinion on the excommunication issue. The Church can do what it wishes in that regard.
 
You misunderstood what I was saying to you as evidence of your reply.
 
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I see what your are implying regarding the gravity of the sin as well as taking action where you think, that the church has taken no action in CA. Who, but only God and the priest who is hearing the confession is the judge of the sincerity of one who confesses his or her sin? Who is to judge that a repentant sinner – yes even an abuser, is making a “random confession” ?
What is the point of confessing ones sins? If they are mortal sins then the person, no matter what the sin is, has broken his relationship with God. Mortal sin, as we know, leads only to one place and it’s not heaven; but eternal damnation. If it is truly a moral sin that has not been confessed, that is.
 
Tragically, we never thought we would have laws that allow abortion up to nine months or so called “civil” marriage between two men or two women.
Our Constitution is no longer treated as it once was by our founding Fathers. It has become a Constitution that changes with the whims of the times. That is very dangerous for our Nation.
The Germans were very educated and sophisticated people, but they opened their Nation to an evil dictator like Hitler and look at the amount of people who followed blindly political evils of those days. I really don’t think we are any better than Germany when for decades now we have allowed the killing of innocent lives in the thousands. Beautiful, innocent babies.
 
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Who, but only God and the priest who is hearing the confession is the judge of the sincerity of one who confesses his or her sin? Who is to judge that a repentant sinner – yes even an abuser, is making a “random confession” ?
What is the point of confessing ones sins? If they are mortal sins then the person, no matter what the sin is, has broken his relationship with God. Mortal sin, as we know, leads only to one place and it’s not heaven; but eternal damnation. If it is truly a moral sin that has not been confessed, that is.
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Fair points. Then why isn’t it that way for a woman who had an abortion? Why is she singled out and excommunicated?
 
Good question and have just started checking out the answers. Here is a section from this link find it bellow: We can both learn some more facts–unless you know this already 🙂

"How easy is it to get automatically excommunicated? The Code of Canon Law mentions several crimes that incur the penalty automatically. These include physically assaulting the Pope, stealing the Host for a sacrilegious purpose, a priest giving absolution to a partner in a sin against the Sixth Commandment, a priest who violates the seal of the confessional, and someone who actually procures an abortion.

This last one is likely to have the most application today. As with all canonical penalties, there are conditions attached. The guilty person must act deliberately and freely, be over 17 years of age, and must not be acting inadvertently, but must know the law. Moreover, an actual abortion must have occurred to merit the penalty. Quite often the mother of the child will not incur the penalty, given the circumstances. But the doctors and other medical people will, as they can hardly claim compulsion or ignorance. As for legislators who promote abortion and make it possible, they surely must incur the penalty."

On excommunication – I think you get 10 free articles
 
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