California Considers Placing A Mileage Tax On Drivers

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Government version of charity means taking money from the middle class and giving it to the lower class so that the lower class can have what the middle class can no longer afford.
 
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Here on the East Coast, 14 states have something called E Z Pass. It is a transponder mounted on the windshield that is “read” by a computer as you pass through a toll booth. The toll is then deducted off a credit card on file. Works quite well, in fact you are crazy to drive the N.J. Turnpike in NO. NJ without EZ Pass.

I think it is the future. IN ten years every car will have to have this device and it will be connected to a credit card or possibly added to your taxes. People who use the interstates pay for the usage, people who don’t don’t pay. I foresee the Federal Government instituting this system for every federally funded interstate.
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I have one of those and it is indeed very handy and convenient when driving on toll roads. I’m not necessarily opposed to what you describe. It makes me a little uneasy, though. Something about the government basically tracking your movement puts me on edge. It seems like only a matter of time before they start sending people speeding tickets in the mail because the only way to get from tollbooth X to tollbooth Y in that amount of time is if you were going 3 miles per hour over the speed limit.

The other thing that would need to be settled is how to tax miles on roads that aren’t interstates. Interstates are easier because they have limited entry and exit points. But they will still need money to repair all the other roads. It seems like the easier solution would be (as described by the legislators) a transponder that goes in your car and tracks your miles. I suppose as long as it wasn’t GPS enabled and only tracked miles driven without location, that wouldn’t necessarily be a bad way to go. Honestly, I would probably come out ahead in that scenario as I tend to not put a lot of miles on my car and the two cars we have both get terrible gas mileage.
 
It’s not double speak. I think food is necessary but I should be able to opt out of eating if I want to.
 
Control of citizens by the government as a soverign state is legitimate. The abuse of that power to exterminate a race is not.
 
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I would not go so far as to say that. He simply said that control by government, which is an intrinsic part of a nation (aka soverignty) is moral, which I agree with, and I believe the RCC does as well.
 
Tolls are one of the worst ideas ever. It’s a road to more corruption, which is the last thing we need.
 
Why not just increase the registration fees? My registration fee was $25. If we got rid of the gas tax, and simply charged a flat $500 (random number; obviously every state would be different…) or whatnot per year (depending on vehicle type), then that’d be fine by me.

Of course, anything over $100 is simply high for too many people, so the fee should be allowed to be paid monthly over the course of a year.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Control by government is legitimate. Consult the Catechism.
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Control of the Jews under the Nazi regime was legitimate?
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As I said, consult the Catechism. It has the answer for that too.
 
Are they going to exempt out of state drivers? If not how are they going to collect it.
 
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I have one of those and it is indeed very handy and convenient when driving on toll roads. I’m not necessarily opposed to what you describe. It makes me a little uneasy, though. Something about the government basically tracking your movement puts me on edge. It seems like only a matter of time before they start sending people speeding tickets in the mail because the only way to get from tollbooth X to tollbooth Y in that amount of time is if you were going 3 miles per hour over the speed limit.

The other thing that would need to be settled is how to tax miles on roads that aren’t interstates. Interstates are easier because they have limited entry and exit points. But they will still need money to repair all the other roads. It seems like the easier solution would be (as described by the legislators) a transponder that goes in your car and tracks your miles. I suppose as long as it wasn’t GPS enabled and only tracked miles driven without location, that wouldn’t necessarily be a bad way to go. Honestly, I would probably come out ahead in that scenario as I tend to not put a lot of miles on my car and the two cars we have both get terrible gas mileage.
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Your points are well stated. I’ve thought of that too. Right now I believe the federal gas tax is around $.50 per gallon. If it were halved in instituting the program I describe and the federal interstates were assigned a usage fee, it would most likely leave enough money for maintenance of other roads. Remember, state roads are the responsibility of the state. In PA, we have an extremely high gas tax at the state level due to the amount of road surface that has to be maintained. Northern states have more maintenance situations than southern states.

As to the government tracking movement, I’d say that already is a reality. Use credit cards, a smartphone, and other modern technology and the government knows exactly where you are. Actually, tracking the movements of criminals might even be a side benefit. Anyway, like I said, I think this kind of program is an inevitability.

And just as an aside. Being a realist, I know the government can track my movements. In our present form of government, it is my attitude that if you’ve done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, it isn’t all that great a worry for me. As to the conspiracy theorists, well, they have their own viewpoints. I just don’t share them.
 
You’re being obtuse. Government is a legitimate concept; that doesn’t mean that every government everywhere acts in legitimate fashion, or that it can’t lose it’s legitimacy. Surgery is generally a legitimate practice, too. That doesn’t mean it’s okay for a surgeon to amputate healthy limbs for fun.
 
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You’re being obtuse. Government is a legitimate concept; that doesn’t mean that every government everywhere acts in legitimate fashion, or that it can’t lose it’s legitimacy. Surgery is generally a legitimate practice, too. That doesn’t mean it’s okay for a surgeon to amputate healthy limbs for fun.
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Government is mostly a failed monopoly and dangerous at best. It has very limited legitimacy, if any. And if government were a surgeon, we would be paying to have slivers pulled from our fingers and our toenails clipped. After we obtained the proper permits, of course. 🤣
 
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It’s also the reason you’re alive right now… the hospital you were born in was most likely government funded, the roads you drive on, the police, firefighters, and EMS that risk their lives for you, the freedom of speech that lets all of us here be keyboard warriors…
 
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