California leaders are threatening Catholic colleges. Again

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Sacramento, Calif., Jun 28, 2016 / 03:02 am (CNA/EWTN News).- A bill that strips longstanding legal protections for religious colleges and universities is underway in the California legislature – and some say it will imperil Catholic education unless changes are made.
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“It’s a way of harassing and making it more difficult for those of us who are people of faith who want to live and express our ways in society,” said California Catholic Conference executive director Edward Dolejsi.
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“We’re being painted into a corner and constricted,” he told CNA.
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I find it interesting that it’s the über Catholic Conservative St. JPII that is complaining, but from the larger and much more mainstream universities such as Santa Clara, Loyola Marymount, University of San Francisco, St. Mary’s and University of San Diego have no problems in treating all students and faculty with equality.👍
 
kozlosap said:
I find it interesting that it’s the über Catholic Conservative St. JPII that is complaining, but from the larger and much more mainstream universities such as Santa Clara, Loyola Marymount, University of San Francisco, St. Mary’s and University of San Diego have no problems in treating all students and faculty with equality.👍
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Doesn’t SJP2 already treat all students and faculty with equality?
 
kozlosap said:
I find it interesting that it’s the über Catholic Conservative St. JPII that is complaining, but from the larger and much more mainstream universities such as Santa Clara, Loyola Marymount, University of San Francisco, St. Mary’s and University of San Diego have no problems in treating all students and faculty with equality.👍
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If you’d like, I’d be happy to introduce you to many former professors from several of the institutions you laud who were treated terribly.

Including many wonderful, humble Jesuits who made the error of not “falling in line”. :o
 
Oh, and this just reminded me of a recent story I just heard (within the past year) from a local Catholic who recently graduated from one of the “mainstream” universities you just mentioned.

The person was asked by one faculty member to start up a Catholic law student group, and very soon after received an invitation to meet with a priest (employed at the same institution) for lunch. At lunch, the priest simply said “If this group is going to be a pro-Life group, I will make sure it fails. Do you understand me? I have that kind of power and I will do it.”

So no Catholic law student group at the mainstream Catholic U.

I could go on with these kinds of stories, but hopefully you’re getting the picture.
 
kozlosap said:
I find it interesting that it’s the über Catholic Conservative St. JPII that is complaining, but from the larger and much more mainstream universities such as Santa Clara, Loyola Marymount, University of San Francisco, St. Mary’s and University of San Diego have no problems in treating all students and faculty with equality.👍
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Glad to hear my alma mater, my sister’s alma mater, and my brother’s alma mater (we all went to different Catholic universities in the state, which is weird now that I think about it), are all among the schools that have no problem with not discriminating against their students. Not that I’m surprised, they weren’t really discriminating when I was there almost 20 years ago so it stood to reason they’d only be more accepting now.
 
I read the bill and did not see where it addressed faculty. It is only trying to enforce the California idea of equal access among students, if the school is going to receive state-funded student grant money. While it is a sad bit of legislation on some levels, it should not present a major hardship for schools. They may have to abandon student housing, or maybe just married student housing. Also, to maintain Catholic identity, they may have to limit the rights and scope of student activities on campus for all students.
 
From the article:
The California legislature is considering S.B. 1146, which would limit religious exemptions for institutions of higher education. It would bar colleges that receive state funding from making employment, student housing, admission and other decisions on the basis of gender identity, gender expression or sexual orientation. It also bars discrimination on the basis of religion.
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The article goes on to talk about how Catholic instituions have no intent to discriminate, but intent doesn’t matter when receiving state and federal dollars. “We have no intent to discriminate against women, but our faith teaches that women are designed by God to be helpmeets and mothers. That’s why we can’t hire them or allow them into our programs. But give us our money, thank you.” Or, “Our religion teaches that handicapped people were evil in a past life and are being punished for that in this one. Because they’re paying the price for their bad karma, we can’t help them by providing assistive devices or mobility aides while they’re on our campus. If we do, we’re sinning. But make sure we get our grants, thanks.”

Either abide by state and federal non-discrimination laws and the public policies in place to receive the taxpayers’ money and get that money, or don’t and get cut off. Simple.
 
Siegehammer said:
“We have no intent to discriminate against women, but our faith teaches that women are designed by God to be helpmeets and mothers. That’s why we can’t hire them or allow them into our programs. But give us our money, thank you.”
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The proposed change is not about hiring or employees, but enrollment, student access and housing. Just to be clear, they are not taking state money as a gift, but as student grants for tuition. Yes, they could cut it off, but California would be the one cutting off access to these institutions to those who are most in financial need.
 
pnewton said:
The proposed change is not about hiring or employees, but enrollment, student access and housing. .
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So are we talking about providing married student housing to couples that are actually married (as in the eyes of the Church), or inclusive of same sex marriages, which are not actual marriages…

One is noble, the other is the participation in a falsehood.
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Perhaps in works differently in CA, but in MI, grant money is given to the student, under the condition that it be used for tuition. At such point, the money is coming from the student.
 
Brendan said:
So are we talking about providing married student housing to couples that are actually married (as in the eyes of the Church), or inclusive of same sex marriages, which are not actual marriages…
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Yes, that is a problem, but not insurmountable.
pnewton said:
… While it is a sad bit of legislation on some levels, it should not present a major hardship for schools. They may have to abandon student housing, or maybe just married student housing. Also, to maintain Catholic identity, they may have to limit the rights and scope of student activities on campus for all students.
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Brendan said:
Perhaps in works differently in CA, but in MI, grant money is given to the student, under the condition that it be used for tuition. At such point, the money is coming from the student.
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It’s the same in CA, but there isn’t an actual cash transaction between the grant offices and the student. When a student applies for a grant she indicates the institution she’s attending and the funds are paid directly to the institution on her behalf. If there are remaining funds after tuition and all other fees are paid (and if the grant is specified for more than just tuition and fees), then the remainder is given to the student for textbook/supply purchase, living expenses, etc.
 
State and Federal funds are our money taken from us by government.

They should not be subject to politically correct religious tenets before being allowed to be returned to us.

That is unjust.
 
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