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[dessert]

It just came to me. if protestants really claim to be able to enterpret SS, why then, if it is not written in plain words they do not believe is there?

***“Lord, to whom shall we go? you have the words of eternal life.” ***

Yes for instance it “scripture” mentions Mary was at the wedding in Cana, so wouldn’t it make sense if she weren’t to be thought of, she wouldn’t have been mentioned. but the minute one speaks of her as interceding and asking to do for Him ;people say she was not important to Jesus ministry.

I go in a circle with talk of this.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Yes for instance it “scripture” mentions Mary was at the wedding in Cana, so wouldn’t it make sense if she weren’t to be thought of, she wouldn’t have been mentioned. but the minute one speaks of her as interceding and asking to do for Him ;people say she was not important to Jesus ministry.

I go in a circle with talk of this.

yes, you got my point. i hope we can get some going in here.

**“Lord, to whom shall we go? you have the words of eternal life.” **

 

[Our_Refuge]

Solo Scripturists might not Baptize infants.

“Go into all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.”

As infants are part of nations… Pretty clear to me!

Jon

Consider that St Paul baptized entire families. There were surely infants among them.

Acts of the Apostles 16:15
“And when she was baptized, with her household, she besought us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us.”
Acts 16:33
"And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their wounds, and he was baptized at once, with all his family. "

And consider what is written in the last paragraph of the Gospel of John
King James John 21;25
" And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen "

Jesus was with the apostles for 40 days after his resurrection. What was said? What was taught? This is is where tradition takes over.

 

[JonNC]

Consider that St Paul baptized entire families. There were surely infants among them.

Acts of the Apostles 16:15
“And when she was baptized, with her household, she besought us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us.”
Acts 16:33
"And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their wounds, and he was baptized at once, with all his family. "

And consider what is written in the last paragraph of the Gospel of John
King James John 21;25
" And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen "

Jesus was with the apostles for 40 days after his resurrection. What was said? What was taught? This is is where tradition takes over.

Thanks. I had forgotten about that.
Jon

 

[wisdomseeker]

Consider that St Paul baptized entire families. There were surely infants among them.

Acts of the Apostles 16:15
“And when she was baptized, with her household, she besought us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us.”
Acts 16:33
"And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their wounds, and he was baptized at once, with all his family. "

And consider what is written in the last paragraph of the Gospel of John
King James John 21;25
" And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen "

Jesus was with the apostles for 40 days after his resurrection. What was said? What was taught? This is is where tradition takes over.

there is all true. but how come so many protestants do not believe in baptism of infants? because it is not written in plain words. like so many other teachings of the Church, protestants do not believe because it is not expressed in exactly words.

how can they claim to be able to truly enterpret SS?

 

[wisdomseeker]

Consider that St Paul baptized entire families. There were surely infants among them.

Acts of the Apostles 16:15
“And when she was baptized, with her household, she besought us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us.”
Acts 16:33
"And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their wounds, and he was baptized at once, with all his family. "

And consider what is written in the last paragraph of the Gospel of John
King James John 21;25
" And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen "

Jesus was with the apostles for 40 days after his resurrection. What was said? What was taught? This is is where tradition takes over.

Sacred Tradition is another issue that protestant reject even though it is right of the Bible.

maybe they dont believe what they read either.

**]“Lord, to whom shall we go? you have the words of eternal life.” **

 

[Sepharad]

Don’t forget Christian baptism’s reflection also of circumcision (Col 2:11-12)

Have you ever noticed Paul’s use of the expression, “Buried with him in baptism”? I’d say that certainly signifies a baptism of immersion (“burial”). I don’t have a dog in this fight (as they say), but I felt that was interesting to point out. Paul used a lot of terms of deeply Jewish significance, which he “Christianized” for the new religion. Another one is where he said, “We are dead in Christ”. This was, no doubt, a reference to the fact that Judaism recognizes that dead people do not do mitzvot (commandments) anymore, which is why when a religious Jew dies, his tallit (prayer shawl with ritual fringes) is torn before his burial in them. to signify this.

 

[dessert]

Sacred Tradition is another issue that protestant reject even though it is right of the Bible.

maybe they dont believe what they read either.

**]“Lord, to whom shall we go? you have the words of eternal life.” **

Protestants have a hard time calling anything sacred. I was one, at least trying to act like the like for awhile. When I came back I began to see more clearly how things are turned around. I believe some maybe not all but the thinking is man is basically evil, God can not come into man, so anything as sacred cannot dwell in him. And if you commit a sin God runs away like heck. And then you have to go find him again, like in your closet to pray. Jesus did approach Peter, but they would excuse this and turn it around and call it a rejection instead of an approach. They don’t really most anyways do not do a collective prayer. What I mean is a joint response prayer. so i don’t think they even think prayer is sacred, when this is what Psalms are? Go figure. This I am beginning to see more than ever, now this is like Islam, but even they will say a joint but not out loud, and Orthodox Judaism. They don’t like to do too much prayer and You don’t really see the Jews holding hands or are in unnision although I did see it on You - tube the other day. So this is not tradition, but they have a tradition like meals prayers but then again not all say the same prayer together only one leads usually the male. the others are thinking why do I have to sit next to uncle Joe again. They will have tradition to read from scripture but then again no response, at home I mean. They don’t hold hands that I know of because they think if anyones sees them the people will think they are a cult and heaven forbid to stand in a circle, oh my goodness. So much stereotyping.
At Christmas, my FIL has us do readings with individual responses etc. many of us participate, but there is not any discussion not any joint prayer no requests, we are all around a table and have “the book”. No singing reminds me of “Christian Scientist,” we had visited. They don’t have a cross in their public building, I asked why and they said we don’t believe in deities the cross. But you are “Chrisitan”?
They do call a lot of things “tradition”, the father in the home type.
You know as for me and my house etc…
They don’t think the Eucharist is sacred because I believe they don’t think anyone could be clean enough to actually ingest God into their being, but we can ask Him into our heart,(our person our mind our soul) just pray go figure.
It is sad I think! I am so glad to be back to the Eucharist as I missed so much but now we can all bring the “good news” to them.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Protestants have a hard time calling anything sacred. I was one, at least trying to act like the like for awhile. When I came back I began to see more clearly how things are turned around. I believe some maybe not all but the thinking is man is basically evil, God can not come into man, so anything as sacred cannot dwell in him. And if you commit a sin God runs away like heck. And then you have to go find him again, like in your closet to pray. Jesus did approach Peter, but they would excuse this and turn it around and call it a rejection instead of an approach. They don’t really most anyways do not do a collective prayer. What I mean is a joint response prayer. so i don’t think they even think prayer is sacred, when this is what Psalms are? Go figure. This I am beginning to see more than ever, now this is like Islam, but even they will say a joint but not out loud, and Orthodox Judaism. They don’t like to do too much prayer and You don’t really see the Jews holding hands or are in unnision although I did see it on You - tube the other day. So this is not tradition, but they have a tradition like meals prayers but then again not all say the same prayer together only one leads usually the male. the others are thinking why do I have to sit next to uncle Joe again. They will have tradition to read from scripture but then again no response, at home I mean. They don’t hold hands that I know of because they think if anyones sees them the people will think they are a cult and heaven forbid to stand in a circle, oh my goodness. So much stereotyping.
At Christmas, my FIL has us do readings with individual responses etc. many of us participate, but there is not any discussion not any joint prayer no requests, we are all around a table and have “the book”. No singing reminds me of “Christian Scientist,” we had visited. They don’t have a cross in their public building, I asked why and they said we don’t believe in deities the cross. But you are “Chrisitan”?
They do call a lot of things “tradition”, the father in the home type.
You know as for me and my house etc…
They don’t think the Eucharist is sacred because I believe they don’t think anyone could be clean enough to actually ingest God into their being, but we can ask Him into our heart,(our person our mind our soul) just pray go figure.
It is sad I think! I am so glad to be back to the Eucharist as I missed so much but now we can all bring the “good news” to them.

that is the problem everyone can pick up a Bible and claim to have true enterpretation. then come up with any type of worship it fits his enterpretation.
i wonder if this is right. for everyone to have such an easy access to the SS. i would think that the SS should be better safeguarded. that is just my opinion.

**B]“Lord, to whom shall we go? you have the words of eternal life.” **