Call no man "father"

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suupah said:
Could you point me to some bible verses that show that peter was referred to as father? Not flaming just want to add them to my list of apologetics verses.

I am aware of pauls discord on the subject in corintheans but not really of any other.

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The Bible calls priests and prophets fathers. In Judges 17:10, the Ephraimite Micah asks a transient Levite, “Stay with me; be father and priest to me.” Later (Judges 18:19), a Danite war party persuades the same Levite to leave Micah, saying: “Come with us and be our father and priest.” Indeed, *the Bible finds priesthood and fatherhood inseparably united. *

*St. Paul says he is the father of his Christian converts *(1st Thess. 2:10-11).

Acts calls Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and David fathers (4:25, 7:2, 8, 14).

Paul says Timothy is his son, and he (Paul) is Timothy’s father (Philip. 2:22).

Reading Hebrews 12:9 reminds us of those spankings we used to get from our fathers!

1st John 2:13, 14 twice calls certain members of the congregation fathers.

Every Catholic priest is ordained in Christ to say, “In Christ Jesus I became your father through the Gospel” (1st Cor. 4:15).

A priest is sent “to deal with us as a father deals with his children, encouraging, comforting, and urging us to live lives worthy of God”** (1st Thess. 2:11-12).**

After Jesus healed the man of leprosy he sent the man to the priest for the ritual cleaning. **Jesus could have easily done the ritual, but he chose to us the office of the priesthood to perform those duties on his behalf. ****(Lk 5:12-16)

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God honoured the office and gave the high priest the gift of prophesy (Jn 11:51) God instituted the priesthood with the Levites. Jesus was not against the priesthood, he honoured and respected it, and I believe he is inviting us to do the same.
 
i can tell you what i think from my point of view. Jesus is True Man, and True God. witnesses think He is not God. So here is what i can say to them with 100% accuracy.

Jesus is True Man, and True God right? right. We therefore can call Him God because He is God. they state that we can only call God the Father. what they do not understand and deny is the divinity of Jesus.

Since He is God, He can be called God, and He is God.
 
Marilena said:
i can tell you what i think from my point of view. Jesus is True Man, and True God. witnesses think He is not God. So here is what i can say to them with 100% accuracy.

Jesus is True Man, and True God right? right. We therefore can call Him God because He is God. they state that we can only call God the Father. what they do not understand and deny is the divinity of Jesus.

Since He is God, He can be called God, and He is God.
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Excellent post.👍
 
To a non-catholic it simply means that whatever the Catholic thinks is obviously wrong and unChristian and whatever the non-Catholic invents, or (RE)-forms away from Christ’s teachings is true.
 
Harland said:
Maybe because the New Testament wasn’t available to Paul when he wrote his letters?
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Maybe “SAINT” Paul knew context and not re-formed self interpretation that is never wrong in ones own mind?
 
Please read and note the context of Matthew 23:1-12. Jesus begins speaking about the Pharisees, who were a prominent sect of Judaism. They were legalists, sticklers for observance of every detail of the Mosaic Law. They liked to dress and act in such a way as to call attention to themselves. Their religion was one of ostentation—their style of clothing, their principal places at meals, their front seats in the synagogues, and their titles of honor. They even claimed greater respect than that which was given parents. They wanted to be called father. However, Jesus shows that all his followers are equal as God’s children. Any title that suggests the opposite is a haughty usurpation of something that belongs to God. Thus, Jesus forbids the use of the word “father” as a title of honor in a religious sense. Jesus insists that his followers have only one Father in the faith, God.

Is it not clear that many clergymen are standing on ‘holy ground’ reserved for God and his Son, and that much reverence is diverted from them to imperfect men? True Christians today avoid using flattering religious titles, and they avoid the practice of setting men on ecclesiastical pedestals.

Since the Christian congregation is an “association of brothers,” any title that elevates one Christian above another would be totally out of place. (1*Pet. 2:17) Besides, the congregation has only one God-appointed head, Jesus Christ. The Son of God said to his disciples: “You, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your teacher, whereas all you are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called ‘leaders,’ for your Leader is one, the Christ.”—Matt. 23:8-10.

These words of Jesus have generally been ignored by clergymen of Christendom. However, not all have been so bold as to take titles to themselves. Well-known Bible commentator Albert Barnes, for example, personally rejected the title “Doctor of Divinity” as being contrary to Christ’s teaching. He wrote: “Jesus forbade his disciples to seek such titles of distinction. The reason he gave was that he was himself their Master and Teacher. They were on a level; they were to be equal in authority; they were brethren; and they should neither covet nor receive a title which implied either an elevation of one above another, or which appeared to infringe on the absolute right of the Saviour to be their only Teacher and Master. ... [The] title [Rabbi] corresponds with the title ‘Doctor of Divinity,’ as applied to ministers of the gospel; and so far as I can see, the spirit of the Saviour’s command is violated by the reception of such a title ... It tends to engender pride, and a sense of superiority in those who obtain it; and envy and a sense of inferiority in those who do not; and the whole spirit and tendency of it is contrary to the ‘simplicity that is in Christ.’”
 
Chris_LaRock said:
To the Non-Catholic, this means that only God can be called ‘Father’. This is in reference, obviously, to Catholics calling thier Priest ‘Father’ and therefore alledgedly contridicting scripture. It’s a classic objection.
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So what does one call their dad? Is the word father ever mentioned outside of God? I mean lets take this to its ultimate meaning, or do we?
 
But is it wrong to revere and honor priests, bishops, even the pope and call them father? How do we gaurd ourselves from respecting these people TOO much to the point of veneration?

I have a great deal of respect and honor for priests and the clergy. I can’t help but wonder about this passage when dealing with the clergy, and wonder if my respect goes too far.

Or is it not even a matter of that with respect to that passage? Because certainly priests and clergy don’t behave like the pharaises, but rather serve the church?
 
I know that catholics don’t like non-catholics to quote from the Bible, but I will anyway. There is only one reference in the Holy Bible of the word “reverend”. In Psalm 111:9 we read, "He has sent redemption to His people; He has commanded His covenant forever; Holy and reverend is His name.

No matter how you try to discerne it, the Bible is very clear. In Matthew 23:9 Jesus stated, “Do not call anyone on earth you father; for One is your father, He who is in heaven.”

I don’t know what more it will take to convince the RC’s, that God, not the pope, is soverign. All the brainwashing the RCC has done to you over the years, has you contradicting the thoughts and words of God and His Son for the doctrine and dogma of the RCC.

Also, Jesus prohibited using the titles: Rabbi and teacher. His words are very clear. You should make a decision, believe that the Bible is the inerrant wordof God and follow His teachings or the teachings of man known as the Roman Catholic Church. It is apparent that the words of God are being twisted by the RCC hierarchy and commanded as an act of faith. By addressing your priest as 'father", you sin against God because he said not to do so.
 
hola

i am very confused, could somebody please provide the context of this quote? is it something from scripture?

gracias
Dominus Vobiscum
 
Jayda said:
hola

i am very confused, could somebody please provide the context of this quote? is it something from scripture?

gracias
Dominus Vobiscum
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Yes, it is from scripture.

Mat 23:1
Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

Mat 23:2
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

Mat 23:3
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Mat 23:4
For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men’s shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.

Mat 23:5
But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

Mat 23:6
And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

Mat 23:7
And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

Mat 23:8
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.

Mat 23:9
And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
 
Steel_Arrow said:
I know that catholics don’t like non-catholics to quote from the Bible, but I will anyway. There is only one reference in the Holy Bible of the word “reverend”. In Psalm 111:9 we read, "He has sent redemption to His people; He has commanded His covenant forever; Holy and reverend is His name.

No matter how you try to discerne it, the Bible is very clear. In Matthew 23:9 Jesus stated, “Do not call anyone on earth you father; for One is your father, He who is in heaven.”

I don’t know what more it will take to convince the RC’s, that God, not the pope, is soverign. All the brainwashing the RCC has done to you over the years, has you contradicting the thoughts and words of God and His Son for the doctrine and dogma of the RCC.

Also, Jesus prohibited using the titles: Rabbi and teacher. His words are very clear. You should make a decision, believe that the Bible is the inerrant wordof God and follow His teachings or the teachings of man known as the Roman Catholic Church. It is apparent that the words of God are being twisted by the RCC hierarchy and commanded as an act of faith. By addressing your priest as 'father", you sin against God because he said not to do so.
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What do you call your male parent, steel arrow?
 
water said:
I like to use the word Dad too, but nothing’s wrong with calling my dad father 😉

uh, St. Paul called himself father too!
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Well then, St. Paul must have been WRONG…even if his use of the word was scriptural…😉
 
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