Call no man "father"

[Steel_Arrow]

Do you have a problem with what he is called on your birth certificate?

Ths is typical. When the bible slaps you in the face with the truth, a catholic’s defenses spring up like the hair on a cat. Go ahead and use your sarcasm. In the face of adversity and evil, I adhere to Ephesians 6:10-20. I will not make a mockery of the Scriptures such as you and others are attempting to do. By doing so, you mock God. I pray for your soul. I hope your arrogance wll not cost you yours.

 

[water]

Well then, St. Paul must have been WRONG…even if his use of the word was scriptural…

Let’s go ask him.

 

[water]

Ths is typical. When the bible slaps you in the face with the truth, a catholic’s defenses spring up like the hair on a cat. Go ahead and use your sarcasm. In the face of adversity and evil, I adhere to Ephesians 6:10-20. I will not make a mockery of the Scriptures such as you and others are attempting to do. By doing so, you mock God. I pray for your soul. I hope your arrogance wll not cost you yours.

The question is simple to see if you have any problem and why are you so upset? Could you show the love of God by being calm and loving? why do you call other mocking God?
Let me know if St. Paul also mocked God when he called himself “father” too?

 

[elvisman]

I know that catholics don’t like non-catholics to quote from the Bible, but I will anyway. There is only one reference in the Holy Bible of the word “reverend”. In Psalm 111:9 we read, "He has sent redemption to His people; He has commanded His covenant forever; Holy and reverend is His name.

No matter how you try to discerne it, the Bible is very clear. In Matthew 23:9 Jesus stated, “Do not call anyone on earth you father; for One is your father, He who is in heaven.”

I don’t know what more it will take to convince the RC’s, that God, not the pope, is soverign. All the brainwashing the RCC has done to you over the years, has you contradicting the thoughts and words of God and His Son for the doctrine and dogma of the RCC.

Also, Jesus prohibited using the titles: Rabbi and teacher. His words are very clear. You should make a decision, believe that the Bible is the inerrant wordof God and follow His teachings or the teachings of man known as the Roman Catholic Church. It is apparent that the words of God are being twisted by the RCC hierarchy and commanded as an act of faith. By addressing your priest as 'father", you sin against God because he said not to do so.

First of all, don’t come here to mock and ridicule Catholic Church as having “brainwashed” us. The very same could be said of your church.
Secondly, no offense, Steel, but this is the most asinine argument I’ve ever heard on this passage of scripture. Your argument is EXACTLY the same argument that I heard from the JW’s who came to my door.
I asked them what they call the man who sired them and they said, “Dad”. Semantics, my friend, semantics.
Some protestants (not all) do not understand what Jesus was saying in this passage and WHY he was saying it. Let me enlighten you.
Jesus didn’t prohibit ANYTHING in this passage. He was criticizing the Jewish leaders who placed themselves above everyone else in every manner.
**Jesus used HYPERBOLE to get his point accross to people. Compared to Jesus, we are ALL stupid. Sometimes we need to be told things in a dire manner.
In Matt. 5:29, Jesus tells you to pluck out your eye if it causes you to sin. If he really meant for you to do that, there would be an AWFUL lot of people in the world walking around with no eyes.
St. Paul calls himself a father to Timothy. Another example is Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of “our father Isaac.”
In Matt. 23:6–7, Jesus also “forbids” the word, “Teacher”. what did you call the people who taught you in school?
I rest my case.

There is none so blind as he who REFUSES to see.

**

 

[jmcrae]

Dad. I never used the word father.

Did you know that the word “Dad” means exactly the same thing that “Father” means? (Did you also know that Jesus wasn’t speaking English to the Disciples, and that the Aramaic word He used translates not only as Father, but also as Pops, Poppa, Daddy, Dad, Dadda, and every other word in English that means the same thing?)

 

[Steel_Arrow]

Elvisman, The originator of this thread opened the door for any and all vews on the subject. I have the uniqueness of having been on both sides of the matter; that of being a catholic and that of being a non-catholic. I viewed my original response strictly in the spiritual arena. The titles, Rabbi, Master (Teacher), and Father are strictly religious titles. We all know that a Rabbi is a Jewish minister, a Father is a Roman/Eastern Orthodox priest, and a Master is the common title given to non-christians such as the monks in the Buddhist faith. Master may have been used in other sects such as the Essenes, an off-shoot of Judaism. I am upset over the trivality shown in regard to this passage. But, I am wrong for showing adverse emotion. All are entitled to their own opinion, just as I am. I don’t profess to be a theologan, I’m just an ordinary Christian doing his best to understand God’s Word as written in the Holy Scriptures.

 

[MrStain]

Even when I was a Southern Baptist I never understand this intepretation that I always believed was just another one of those “it must be Catholic, so it must be from the Devil” reactions.

In addition to the use of the term father in the Epistles, didn’t Jesus Himself refer to a man (Abraham) as father? - John 8:56

 

[water]

I don’t profess to be a theologan

Do you know what it means to be an ordinary Christian?

 

[water]

Even when I was a Southern Baptist I never understand this intepretation that I always believed was just another one of those “it must be Catholic, so it must be from the Devil” reactions.

In addition to the use of the term father in the Epistles, didn’t Jesus Himself refer to a man (Abraham) as father? - John 8:56

St Peter called Mark his son. I wonders what people think about this. What kind of son is he to Peter, and what Peter to him?

 

[Steel_Arrow]

:bowdown: Please enlighten me Water.

 

[water]

:bowdown: Please enlighten me Water.

I quoted the wrong quote. It was the comment on “You are just an ordinary Christian?” So, my question was what it means to be an ordinary Christian to you? (I might just derail the topic though. )

PS: please don’t bow down, you might commit idolatry.

 

[lak611]

St. Paul calls himself a father to Timothy

1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
1Ti 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.(KJV)

2Ti 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.(KJV)

 

[Steel_Arrow]

Often I wonder the same thing. I notice many denominations doing practices that they believe make them just an ordinary christian. I practice wha is referred to as First Century Christianity. We sing with “a melody in our hearts” (acapella). We come together to worship on the first day of the week (Sunday). We partake of the Lord’s Supper on Sunday as a remembrance of Him (“Do This In Remembrance Of Me”.) We listen to the Word of God. We study together the Word of God. We edify each other. We pray for each other, and we forgive one another. This is not to say tat the Catholic Church doesn’t do these practices, we just do tem in their purest form as taught in the New Testament. To me, doing what is revealed in the New Testament is simply being an “ordinary Christian”.:tiphat:

 

[jmcrae]

Often I wonder the same thing. I notice many denominations doing practices that they believe make them just an ordinary christian. I practice wha is referred to as First Century Christianity. We sing with “a melody in our hearts” (acapella). We come together to worship on the first day of the week (Sunday). We partake of the Lord’s Supper on Sunday as a remembrance of Him (“Do This In Remembrance Of Me”.) We listen to the Word of God. We study together the Word of God. We edify each other. We pray for each other, and we forgive one another. This is not to say tat the Catholic Church doesn’t do these practices, we just do tem in their purest form as taught in the New Testament. To me, doing what is revealed in the New Testament is simply being an “ordinary Christian”.:tiphat:

When we look at the writings of the Early Church outside of the Bible, we see a much more hierarchical structure of the Church, including Bishops, Presbyters (priests) and Deacons. In 110 AD, St. Ignatius reminded his readers that “Where the Bishop is, there is the Catholic Church,” and exhorted all to be obedient to their Bishops. The Mass as we know it today was already in common use by the time St. Justin wrote about it in the late 100s AD.

Even when they were in the catacombs, they didn’t scrimp or go cheap on giving honour to God. The Mass was said in all its fullness and glory, and they painted the walls with icons and prayers. They used the best that they could lay their hands on.

They would have been astounded to see some of the drab, cheap, bare boxes that so many today, including (unfortunately) many Catholics, are calling “churches,” and even more astounded to hear that people were doing this on purpose, in order to be more like them.

 

[thomasf]

Did you know that the word “Dad” means exactly the same thing that “Father” means? (Did you also know that Jesus wasn’t speaking English to the Disciples, and that the Aramaic word He used translates not only as Father, but also as Pops, Poppa, Daddy, Dad, Dadda, and every other word in English that means the same thing?)

Why do people not respond to the good points? Duckin’ and jivin’.

Also, I can’t ever remeber thinking the pope was God, or that he had more authority than God, or worshipping him as God. And I can’t remember the last time anyone told me to do so. Where do people get this stuff from?

And more importantly, does it really matter? Is it worth the time to argue with people insistant on sticking their heads in the sand and repeating the same old same old? There is nothing new under the sun, afterall.

 

[St_Violet]

so seeing that these “non catholics” have been served, do we all agree theres nothing wrong with a catholic priest being called father?

 

[jmcrae]

… do we all agree theres nothing wrong with a catholic priest being called father?

Well, I agree.

 

[believers]

so seeing that these “non catholics” have been served, do we all agree theres nothing wrong with a catholic priest being called father?

We got “served”? Really now. How very roman of you to say that. It’s really sadyousee of the roman church to give the title of “father” to her priests. The very equivalent of “rabi”.

This verse usually comes to mind…

Rev 17:3
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

 

[jmcrae]

We got “served”? Really now. How very roman of you to say that. It’s really sadyousee of the roman church to give the title of “father” to her priests. The very equivalent of “rabi”.

Jesus did not forbid anyone to be called Rabbi. He was using hyperbole to make the point that we should not set our human leaders in the place of God.

This verse usually comes to mind…

Rev 17:3
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

I am quite certain that that verse is not referring to any faithful Catholics whatsoever, but rather, to the enemies of Christ’s Church.

 

[stignatius]

We got “served”? Really now. How very roman of you to say that. It’s really sadyousee of the roman church to give the title of “father” to her priests. The very equivalent of “rabi”.

This verse usually comes to mind…

Rev 17:3
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

:bible1: Philemon 1:10
10I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment,

:bible1: 1 Corinthians 4:14-15
14 I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel

I know these quotes have been said before, but unless you want to accuse St. Paul of not being a Christian, I don’t see how calling priests father is an issue:shrug: