Call to (Islamic) prayer?

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It is of some interest to note the numerous posts on this Catholic forum that call for the study of Islam, the Koran and its traditions. In the name of tolerance and understanding, we are instructed to study the texts and interpretations of Islam to “better understand” our Islamic neighbors and their beliefs.

Why are there so many Catholics who seem to have become apologists for Islam?

If this is being done to foster understanding and dialogue, do we require our Muslim brothers to study the Bible, to read St. Francis, St. Augustine, Thomas a Kempis?

Do any of you know of any Muslim who has actually read and studied the New Testament?
 
Ontheway said:
Why are there so many Catholics who seem to have become apologists for Islam?
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I don’t know of a single one. You’ll have to cite specifics.

It’s not about tolerance; it’s about understanding their text so we can better understand why their religion is so flawed, and to better understand where they are coming from so we can introduce the Truth to them more effectively.

We do not require them to read the New Testament because we require nothing of them; we place burdens on ourselves because we are Catholic, and we believe that God will help us bear the burden of teaching others. We seek out the information we need to do God’s will, and due to the unfortunate prevalence of this abominable religion it is necessary that we learn about it so we can combat it.
 
Ontheway said:
It is of some interest to note the numerous posts on this Catholic forum that call for the study of Islam, the Koran and its traditions. In the name of tolerance and understanding, we are instructed to study the texts and interpretations of Islam to “better understand” our Islamic neighbors and their beliefs.

Why are there so many Catholics who seem to have become apologists for Islam?

If this is being done to foster understanding and dialogue, do we require our Muslim brothers to study the Bible, to read St. Francis, St. Augustine, Thomas a Kempis?

Do any of you know of any Muslim who has actually read and studied the New Testament?
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Please clarify:

Is your topic on “call to Islamic prayer” or the body of your text -

Or both

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ProdglArchitect said:
It’s not about tolerance; it’s about understanding their text so we can better understand why their religion is so flawed, and to better understand where they are coming from so we can introduce the Truth to them more effectively.

We do not require them to read the New Testament because we require nothing of them; we place burdens on ourselves because we are Catholic, and we believe that God will help us bear the burden of teaching others. We seek out the information we need to do God’s will, and due to the unfortunate prevalence of this abominable religion it is necessary that we learn about it so we can combat it.
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👍 Amen. 👍
 
Not to mention that we may share with them things which are true. And like Saint Paul and the Unknown God, it might be a way to get them to see us in a light they had not before.
 
Cojuanco said:
Not to mention that we may share with them things which are true. And like Saint Paul and the Unknown God, it might be a way to get them to see us in a light they had not before.
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Muslims don’t care for Saint Paul. They believe he taught a false message.
 
Ontheway said:
It is of some interest to note the numerous posts on this Catholic forum that call for the study of Islam, the Koran and its traditions. In the name of tolerance and understanding, we are instructed to study the texts and interpretations of Islam to “better understand” our Islamic neighbors and their beliefs.

Why are there so many Catholics who seem to have become apologists for Islam?

If this is being done to foster understanding and dialogue, do we require our Muslim brothers to study the Bible, to read St. Francis, St. Augustine, Thomas a Kempis?

Do any of you know of any Muslim who has actually read and studied the New Testament?
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Could you point to a few posts of these “apologists for Islam?” I’ve seen people say it’s perfectly all right to read the Koran if you want to, but I’ve never been “instructed” to.
 
Exactly. I’ve never been told to read the Koran, and have never done so.

Nor have I seen any Catholic ‘apologists’ for Islam except in the sense of some who, quite reasonably, point out the commonalities between us - the respect Muslims have for the Blessed Virgin and even for Our Lord, to whom they accord a respect very nearly equal that they have for Mohammed. And the things we can learn from them - their devotion to the practice of frequent prayer and fasting for example.

Which is not to make light of the very real differences, and the serious errors and shortcomings of Islam.
 
Ontheway said:
It is of some interest to note the numerous posts on this Catholic forum that call for the study of Islam, the Koran and its traditions. In the name of tolerance and understanding, we are instructed to study the texts and interpretations of Islam to “better understand” our Islamic neighbors and their beliefs.

Why are there so many Catholics who seem to have become apologists for Islam?

If this is being done to foster understanding and dialogue, do we require our Muslim brothers to study the Bible, to read St. Francis, St. Augustine, Thomas a Kempis?

Do any of you know of any Muslim who has actually read and studied the New Testament?
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Not sure I agree with your assessment of our call to study Islam. It is not part of my Catholic faith to study the Koran. Some bishops may encourage it to encourage ecumenical dialogue. Yet, that doesn’t force me to study it. There are many Catholic apologists out there pointing out Islamic Extremeism. In fact, our last Pope talked about the violence in the Islamic faith. So… maybe you may have a misunderstanding? 🤷
 
YiiNaa said:
I know exactly what you mean lol, but most muslims look up to him. His ability to quote scripture out of context is unparalleled, and I just remembered Ahmed Deedat.
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Deedat is just as a big joke as Naik!

Muslims look up to them because they believe and cling on to each and every word they speak.
 
Moslems worship a false god. Their religion has been the occasion of much strife from the day Mohammed invented it. And they are slowly moving into and evangelizing the West. We are facing Constantinople all over again.
 
Psalm 1

1 Blessed is the one
who does not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers,
2 but whose delight is in the law of the Lord,
and who meditates on his law day and night.
3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not wither—
whatever they do prospers.

My original post was a reaction to the lenghty discussions about Roberts Spencer and his contributions on the topic of Islam. I don’t know the man, but it seems that many Catholics here are not fond of his rather direct and unambiguous statements about Islam and its followers. I did hear his debate on the subject with Peter Kreeft, who wrote a rather favorable book about Islam soem years before. Spencer is a student of Kreeft. Even though the debate began with the two men expressing what appeared to be opposite views of Islam, at the end they seemed to agree. I highly recommend it (youtube) to anyone interested in the subject.

Quoting the psalm serves a dual purpose here. First, it illustrates what should be our attitude about our own faith. Secondly, this is exactly the attitude of every Muslim I know about their faith. (and I know many) They will never touch the Bible and everthing they need to know about us comes from the Koran and their imam.

Ecumenism - as far as I can see, we are conducting a monolgue with a non-receptive audience.
 
LilyM said:
Exactly. I’ve never been told to read the Koran, and have never done so.

Nor have I seen any Catholic ‘apologists’ for Islam except in the sense of some who, quite reasonably, point out the commonalities between us - the respect Muslims have for the Blessed Virgin and even for Our Lord, to whom they accord a respect very nearly equal that they have for Mohammed. And the things we can learn from them - their devotion to the practice of frequent prayer and fasting for example.

Which is not to make light of the very real differences, and the serious errors and shortcomings of Islam.
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Very nice sentiments, and as Catholics, we practice charity to all.
But, why do you need to learn devotion to prayer and fasting from Muslims? What happened to our Catholic devotion to prayer? Why do I need an Abdulla or a Mohamad to remind me to pray or fast?
 
jakasaki said:
Muslims don’t care for Saint Paul. They believe he taught a false message.
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What about Christ?
I was in the process of selling a house some years ago. During an open house a Muslim family came to look at it. They literally ran out two minutes later when they saw a cross hanging on the wall.
 
LilyM said:
Exactly. I’ve never been told to read the Koran, and have never done so.

Nor have I seen any Catholic ‘apologists’ for Islam except in the sense of some who, quite reasonably, point out the commonalities between us - the respect Muslims have for the Blessed Virgin and even for Our Lord, to whom they accord a respect very nearly equal that they have for Mohammed. And the things we can learn from them - their devotion to the practice of frequent prayer and fasting for example.

Which is not to make light of the very real differences, and the serious errors and shortcomings of Islam.
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Indeed. I’ve never been told to study nor read the Qu’ran (and I have never done so), but I have studied aspects of the Islamic religion (as well as its traditions) to become knowledgeable in it (as well as other faiths) so that I may know the commonalities and differences between Catholicism (perhaps the entirety of Christianity, but I often focus specifically on Catholicism) and it (“it” referring to Islam; as well, I also study the aspects of Judaism).

Of course, Islam and Christianity can be (and are) vastly different, but that does not mean that we can not be charitable towards each other and learn of each other’s faiths. Learning of this religion is not meant to make light of the shortcomings and errors (as mentioned by LilyM) of Islam as compared to Christianity, but rather help us to reach peaceful interactions between our two faiths and to learn exactly why we are so different, and why Christianity teaches us the Truth.
 
LilyM said:
Exactly. I’ve never been told to read the Koran, and have never done so.

Nor have I seen any Catholic ‘apologists’ for Islam except in the sense of some who, quite reasonably, point out the commonalities between us - the respect Muslims have for the Blessed Virgin and even for Our Lord, to whom they accord a respect very nearly equal that they have for Mohammed. And the things we can learn from them - their devotion to the practice of frequent prayer and fasting for example.

Which is not to make light of the very real differences, and the serious errors and shortcomings of Islam.
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Muslims love Jesus, they believe he lived the most miraculous life, but Muhammad is superior because he is the perfect example for mankind, and Allah’s final messenger. Mary to them is one of the 4 greatest women to live.

Their devotion to their religion is unquestionable. Churches in Britain are getting emptier, the number of coverts to Islam is rising. 😦
 
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