Calling All Aetheists

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In all kindness…For all Aetheists… To say something does not exsist you are contradicting yourselves. Because to say that something doesn’t exsist, it therefore must FIRST EXSIST! If a house was once built on a plot of land you could say that it exsists. When that house was torn down the house no longer exsists. So to say that you do not belive in the exsistance of God is to also say that God first exsisted. So even your unbelief of God is to say God exsists.

God writes himself on every man’s heart and that is why you have a conscience. If you have no conscience, that God has given every man, then there are no consequences! So lets just go out and commit adultry on our wives, steal, lie, cheat, and kill. Why not? there is no god, there are no consequences.
 
GodsElect said:
In all kindness…For all Aetheists… To say something does not exsist you are contradicting yourselves. Because to say that something doesn’t exsist, it therefore must FIRST EXSIST! If a house was once built on a plot of land you could say that it exsists. When that house was torn down the house no longer exsists. So to say that you do not belive in the exsistance of God is to also say that God first exsisted. So even your unbelief of God is to say God exsists.

God writes himself on every man’s heart and that is why you have a conscience. If you have no conscience, that God has given every man, then there are no consequences! So lets just go out and commit adultry on our wives, steal, lie, cheat, and kill. Why not? there is no god, there are no consequences.
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Ok this post is simply silly.

Firstly, your analogy is flawed because you can simply say the house NEVER existed, not that it no longer exists. The Atheist arguement is the former not the latter.

Second, THERE IS NO UNIVERSAL MORALITY. You dont need God to deicde what is moral and saying there no consequences because there si no God is just as silly.

If what you say is true there would be no laws, no different ideas of what is moral, no different religions. As for consequences, if this were true then you’d every atheist going out and commiting crimes, but you dont do you?
Societal factors such as praise, exile, imprisonment and death keep ppl in line not God.

If anything God undermines a democratic morality system because some nutjob thinks by killing ppl and causing decent God will reward him in an after life.
 
GodsElect said:
In all kindness…For all Aetheists… To say something does not exsist you are contradicting yourselves. Because to say that something doesn’t exsist, it therefore must FIRST EXSIST! If a house was once built on a plot of land you could say that it exsists. When that house was torn down the house no longer exsists. So to say that you do not belive in the exsistance of God is to also say that God first exsisted. So even your unbelief of God is to say God exsists.

God writes himself on every man’s heart and that is why you have a conscience. If you have no conscience, that God has given every man, then there are no consequences! So lets just go out and commit adultry on our wives, steal, lie, cheat, and kill. Why not? there is no god, there are no consequences.
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So is it really your position that it is impossible not to believe in God?
 
R_McGeddon said:
Wanting to see my mother tongue used properly isn’t a bad thing.
It’s a good job, you’d lose.
Who was it calling atheists dumb???

You should look closer to home before calling others rude.
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RmcGeddon, where did I call aetheists dumb?? I said they were awful and gave you an example why…so?
 
wcknight said:
I would think the worst time for an Atheist is the moment they die and find out there really is a God and there really is a Heaven and Hell and Purgatory,:bigyikes: especially if they have not lived a fairly principled life or have ignored the poor or have been less than charitable.
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Matthew 19:30

“But many who are first will be last; and the last, first.”
 
GodsElect said:
In all kindness…For all Aetheists… To say something does not exsist you are contradicting yourselves. Because to say that something doesn’t exsist, it therefore must FIRST EXSIST! If a house was once built on a plot of land you could say that it exsists. When that house was torn down the house no longer exsists. So to say that you do not belive in the exsistance of God is to also say that God first exsisted. So even your unbelief of God is to say God exsists.

God writes himself on every man’s heart and that is why you have a conscience. If you have no conscience, that God has given every man, then there are no consequences! So lets just go out and commit adultry on our wives, steal, lie, cheat, and kill. Why not? there is no god, there are no consequences.
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So if I say blue elephants don’t exist, does that mean they did once??
I don’t understand this post either.

And why aren’t atheists committing all those crimes either if they believe there is no God?? Because they follow the laws of their society, and also like to treat others the way they wish to be treated. Yes I know that sounds very familiar, but in all fairness to atheists, I don’t particularly like someone slapping me in the face, that is because it hurts, and I know that would hurt someone else if I did it, hence why I don’t do it. I can see how atheists think that there is no God involved in this reasoning.
 
The burden of proof is on the positive claim, especially when that positive claim has no basis in reality. There has been no proof, evidence or even sufficient justification to believe in a deity, so the default position is to have no belief in god. It is reasonable, rational and logical to be an atheist. The theist has to resort to quoting an ancient text that would have us all kill those who work on the Sabbath, kill non-believing children, and have us all believe that the earth was created in 6 days less than 10,000 years ago (not to mention the fact that Genesis has two conflicting accounts of this creation). If this isn’t morally and factually bogus, I don’t know what is… and theists call atheists blind! Look, its obvious that no one here wants to kill their children for converting to another religion or working on the sabbath. All I am saying is take a closer look at the bible and at the character of god (especially in the old testament) and then decide whether or not you think the Judeo-Christian religion has a history of wonderful moral teaching.
 
Maybe the thinking of my previous statement is not for the shallow thinking mind…the point is…IF you don’t belive in God and that God doesn’t exsist, then why do you even use the thought of “god” in your disbelief. why does the atheist say “There is no god” or “I don’t belive in a god” To even have the thought of the word or being of God would be to say that God exsists…
Let’s look at the same thought from another angle. If I were to make an absolute statement such as, “There is no gold in China,” what is needed for that statement to be proven true? I need absolute or total knowledge. I need to have information that there is no gold in any rock, in any river, in the ground, in any store, in any ring, or in any mouth (gold filling) in China. If there is one speck of gold in China, then my statement is false and I have no basis for it. I need absolute knowledge before I can make an absolute statement of that nature. Conversely, for me to say, “There is gold in China,” I don’t need to have all knowledge. I just need to have seen a speck of gold in the country, and the statement is then true.
To say categorically, “There is no God,” is to make an absolute statement. For the statement to be true, I must know for certain that there is no God in the entire universe. No human being has all knowledge. Therefore, none of us is able to truthfully make this assertion.
If you insist upon disbelief in God, what you must say is, “Having the limited knowledge I have at present, I believe that there is no God.” Owing to a lack of knowledge on your part, you don’t know if God exists. So, in the strict sense of the word, you cannot be an atheist. The only true qualifier for the title is the One who has absolute knowledge, and why on earth would God want to deny His own existence?
The professing atheist is what is commonly known as an “agnostic” - one who claims he “doesn’t know” if God exists. It is interesting to note that the Latin equivalent for the Greek word is “ignoramus.” The Bible tells us that this ignorance is “willful” (Psalm 10:4). It’s not that a person can’t find God, but that he won’t. It has been rightly said that the “atheist” can’t find God for the same reason a thief can’t find a policeman. He knows that if he admits that there is a God, he is admitting that he is ultimately responsible to Him. This is not a pleasant thought for some.
It is said that Mussolini (the Italian dictator), once stood on a pinnacle and cried, “God, if you are there, strike me dead!” When God didn’t immediately bow to his dictates, Mussolini then concluded that there was no God. However, his prayer was answered some time later. And yours will be too!
 
There is no Unicorns in Canada. O what the hell I feel adventours, there is no Unicorns on Earth!
  • Oooo look at that, I accidently killed first arguement in one sentence 😦
As for being uncertain, thats nice. You know, I think God is under this small rock…on Mars! Go look for him! Ill keep your possessions warm 😉
 
GodsElect said:
Maybe the thinking of my previous statement is not for the shallow thinking mind…the point is…IF you don’t belive in God and that God doesn’t exsist, then why do you even use the thought of “god” in your disbelief. why does the atheist say “There is no god” or “I don’t belive in a god” To even have the thought of the word or being of God would be to say that God exsists…
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It is possible that my shallow mind can’t grasp your logic. But I is likely that your logic is seriously flawed.
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bella5110 said:
All aetheists are not bad, they’re awful.
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**I think the question is…are YOU Catholic??? We, as Catholics should pray for all, not condem them. That’s God’s job. Yes, we are told to admonish the sinner, but we are also called to pray for our enemies.Saying a whole *group *is awful is not a Christian a thing to do. **
We pray for conversion. Let us show some CHARITY!
I pray for you and several other members of this fourm…one in particular is former member stefany379. Your style reminds me so much of hers.
 
jasm said:
**I think the question is…are YOU Catholic??? We, as Catholics should pray for all, not condem them. That’s God’s job. Yes, we are told to admonish the sinner, but we are also called to pray for our enemies.Saying a whole *group ***is awful is not a Christian a thing to do.
We pray for conversion. Let us show some CHARITY!
I pray for you and several other members of this fourm…one in particular is former member stefany379. Your style reminds me so much of hers.
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Probably more Catholic than you. I am glad I remind you of someone else’s post, that must tell you something…go back and reread my post about Mr. Cline…How would you define someone who makes fun of Jesus Christ, wants to take God out of the country, including The Pledge of Allegiance, wants to take down The Mount Soledad Cross that has been there for years, wants In God We Trust taken out of our money, wants Nothing to do with God period. What word would you use?? Hmmm? :hmmm:
Now be a good Catholic and stop judging others.
 
I’m not crazy about the The Mount Soledad Cross either. It’s on public land and, as far as I’m concerned, violates the establishment clause. Let some private property owner take it. Legally, there’s no grounds to keep it there.
 
bella5110 said:
Probably more Catholic than you. I am glad I remind you of someone else’s post, that must tell you something…go back and reread my post about Mr. Cline…How would you define someone who makes fun of Jesus Christ, wants to take God out of the country, including The Pledge of Allegiance, wants to take down The Mount Soledad Cross that has been there for years, wants In God We Trust taken out of our money, wants Nothing to do with God period. What word would you use?? Hmmm? :hmmm:
Now be a good Catholic and stop judging others.
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You judge “Mr. Cline” and then turn around and try (you’re not very good at it:p )to chide me for judging. Hummmm??..damning people like Mr. Cline instead of praying for him:hmmm: hummmm?
**Since I am a Christian I won’t use the term sanctimonious hypocrite…but…what word would you use to describe yourself??? It’s not your JOB to define him, judge him, etc. JESUS defined YOUR JOB as *praying *for Mr. Cline . Now dear, why don’t YOU be a good Catholic and go do the work Jesus asked you to!👍 **
**Our POWER is in prayer. We can change no one. We can save no one unless God changes their hearts. God alone changes hearts. We can lead a horse to water…you know how it goes. Pray ,pray, pray for people like Mr. Cline. **
 
Valke2 said:
I’m not crazy about the The Mount Soledad Cross either. It’s on public land and, as far as I’m concerned, violates the establishment clause. Let some private property owner take it. Legally, there’s no grounds to keep it there.
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Oh please…all of a sudden it bothers you. That is exactly the problem. How would a cross that has been there for years even bother you?? It must be because it is just that, a cross.
 
bella5110 said:
Oh please…all of a sudden it bothers you. That is exactly the problem. How would a cross that has been there for years even bother you?? It must be because it is just that, a cross.
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Absolutely because it is a cross it bothers me. If it were a Menorah, I would be a lot less bothered. But I would understand why others would have the right to complain. I have the same complaint with my town, which puts up Christmas trees on public land each year. They call it a holiday tree to get around the religion thing, but as smart as I am, I can still tell its a christmas tree.
 
bella5110 said:
How would you define someone who makes fun of Jesus Christ, wants to take God out of the country, including The Pledge of Allegiance, wants to take down The Mount Soledad Cross that has been there for years, wants In God We Trust taken out of our money, wants Nothing to do with God period. What word would you use?? Hmmm? :hmmm:
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I wouldn’t “define” him or waste time trying to find the right word to do so. I wouldn’t condem Atheist.
I know you have shown interest in Fatima. This is what I would do…tell me if it rings a bell. I would pray:

"My God, I believe, I adore, I hope and I love Thee. I beg pardon for those who do not believe, do not adore, do not hope and do not love Thee.
**Amen" **
Then I would leave it to God. Everytime he or any other Atheist crossed my mind, I would repeat this prayer. If they spoke against God I would pray, “Blessed be God. Blessed be His Holy Name.” I would NOT start a thread asking Atheist if they had learned anything yet.
 
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