Calling all Americans Catholics! I have questions for you!

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This reminds me of something I heard:

Someone asked Noah, " Noah, after being on that ark for 40 days and 40 nights, was it not noisey and stinky?" Noah replied,
yes it was, but it was still the best ship afloat.

We americans may not be perfect but we are still the best country on the planet.
 
KenEOTE said:
I have worked hard to get to where I am at. I do not like the thought of the Government taking what I have worked hard for to be put into a pot and distributed as they see fit.
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I’m sure you’ve worked hard and don’t like what you don’t like but is “what I don’t like” a definition of “socialism”?
It will lead to the money going to abortions, … . . . The Hospital worked with us so we could pay for it. I see no reason to move to Universal Healthcare.
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Health systems - whether ‘universal healthcare’ or ‘private insurance’ have a basic problem, demand for their services has a tendency to approach infinity. None of them are perfect, they all have their faults, they all have their scare stories. A politician putting forward ‘European healthcare’ to Americans would have trouble getting elected, a politician putting forward ‘American healthcare’ to Europeans might as well not bother standing for election at all.
 
Kaninchen once agian my definition of Socialism is:

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Any time the government determines the distribution of goods such as health care is a socialist program.

I do not like the government distributing anything.

I do not like blood sausage… that does not make blood sausage socialist.

I do not like socialism or any form of it.

Just cause I do not like something does not mean I think it is socialist. Socialism is just one thing I do not like.
 
KenEOTE said:
Well Kaninchen the same could be said to you. You do not like how America runs things. I find it offensive when an person from another country condemns or tells us how we should run things.
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Well, KenEOTE, show me where I’ve said that I like or don’t like how America runs things? I’ve never said anything of the sort in the whole time I’ve been on the board, I never said anything of the sort when I lived in the US.

I think that the definitions that some Americans use are deficient, if you find that an offensive condemnation of the US and how things are in the US, that’s entirely up to you.
 
Kaninchen you seem to agree with the OP. He does not seem to like how things are here in America and made a rash statement:

**One thing that has always seemed strange to me is how dog-eat-dog life seems to be in the US, compared to the rest of the developed world.

From an outsider’s perspective, it seems to be that USA doesn’t have the same attitudes as the rest of the developed Christian world when it comes to looking after its own citizens. Something which I thought would have been a fairly Christian thing to do.

There was absolute shock in Europe as to how badly things went after hurricane Katrina. That sheer poverty in which people lived, and the fact that it was majority poor blacks that were left homeless was also widely reported. “Why don’t they look after their own people?”…is what many in Europe were saying.
  • Things like public health care (completely free), and an essentially free university education as standard in pretty much all of Europe. It’s not seen as something “given to us”, but more as “a right”. And yet in the US this is unlikely to happen.
People seem obsessed with paying too much tax, and how much it is all going to cost, how it may affect the economy.

And I often read posts here on the Catholic answers forum where people seem petrified that somebody else may get something for nothing, without “working for it”. **

Do you agree with the OP ot not?
 
Kaninchen said:
Do you actually know how these systems work?
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Yes I have read how they work.

Yes it will be an additional tax burden on the working class.

Yes it will be run by the governement.

I am opposed to more taxes and the government running anything.
 
KenEOTE said:
Kaninchen you seem to agree with the OP. He does not seem to like how things are here in America and made a rash statement
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Never mind the ‘seem’, show me how I’ve criticized the US or how things are in the US?

All I’ve done is say ‘two cultures, two systems, what’s the problem?’ and criticized the use of terms like ‘socialism’.

I spent quite a lot of time, in a world which still had communists in it, being actively anti-socialist’ (European definition), to be described as ‘socialist’ (American definition) actually appeals to my sense of humor.
 
KenEOTE said:
Yes I have read how they work.

Yes it will be an additional tax burden on the working class.

Yes it will be run by the governement.

I am opposed to more taxes and the government running anything.
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Two cultures, two systems.
 
Fine two cultures two systems.

I am glad you like your system. I don’t want here.

I did not call you a socialist I said that Universal Healthcare “Free” Healthcare is a form of socialism.
 
thomfra said:
One thing that has always seemed strange to me is how dog-eat-dog life seems to be in the US, compared to the rest of the developed world.

From an outsider’s perspective, it seems to be that USA doesn’t have the same attitudes as the rest of the developed Christian world when it comes to looking after its own citizens. Something which I thought would have been a fairly Christian thing to do.

There was absolute shock in Europe as to how badly things went after hurricane Katrina. That sheer poverty in which people lived, and the fact that it was majority poor blacks that were left homeless was also widely reported. “Why don’t they look after their own people?”…is what many in Europe were saying.
  • Things like public health care (completely free), and an essentially free university education as standard in pretty much all of Europe. It’s not seen as something “given to us”, but more as “a right”. And yet in the US this is unlikely to happen.
People seem obsessed with paying too much tax, and how much it is all going to cost, how it may affect the economy.

And I often read posts here on the Catholic answers forum where people seem petrified that somebody else may get something for nothing, without “working for it”.

I have two questions:
  1. Why is America like this?
  2. How do Catholic Americans feel about how the average American citizen is looked after when things don’t go so well (those who are broke, sick, unemployed etc).
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This ceartainly is not the end al be all answer, but fits my situation. I work my fanny off to just get by. I work 2 variable schedule part time jobs and still can live only paycheck to paycheck. I drive a 23 yearold car will well over 100 grand on it, and live in a very minimal house with a minimal mortage by todays standards. I take care of a wife who is on disability. Yes I care how much Im taxed and how much things cost. I dont go to work because I enjoy it I go to work to have things Me and my wife need in the literal sense of the word and a bit tof the figurtive sense of the word too. Because of my low income and the not being able to afford a totally trust worthy car I had to miss a funeral for a friend out of state, people dont think of things like that when they think of financial situations. Im looking for a better job so I can do the meaningfull things in life rather than exist day to day like an animal.
 
KenEOTE said:
Fine two cultures two systems.

I am glad you like your system. I don’t want here.

I did not call you a socialist I said that Universal Healthcare “Free” Healthcare is a form of socialism.
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You’re welcome to your view.
 
Also the OP made a statement that is false.

He needs to think two cultures two systems and keep it to himself. Take care of the poor in his country.

Those of us here will take care of the poor here. If however they refuse our charity and rather stick there hand out to big brother government what are we to do?
 
KenEOTE said:
Also the OP made a statement that is false.

He needs to think two cultures two systems and keep it to himself. Take care of the poor in his country.

Those of us here will take care of the poor here. If however they refuse our charity and rather stick there hand out to big brother government what are we to do?
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To tell you the truth, I really don’t care, it’s none of my business.
 
KenEOTE said:
If it is none of your business then why are you in this thread?
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What happens in the US is none of my business, when comments are made about how Europeans do things then it may well be my business.

Anyway, why I’m in the thread is none of your business.
 
Funny.

But you just told me why it is your business. Its because people said nasty things about how Europeans do things.

I don’t care how Europeans do things. They can do what they want however they want. I just don’t like when we are told how much better there Health Care or how there “Social” programs are the answer.
 
KenEOTE said:
Funny.

But you just told me why it is your business. Its because people said nasty things about how Europeans do things.
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Two which my response was? ‘Two cultures, two systems, what’s the problem?’
I don’t care how Europeans do things. They can do what they want however they want. I just don’t like when we are told how much better there Health Care or how there “Social” programs are the answer.
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You seem to be terribly excited about what you don’t care about.
 
I am not excited about how Europe does things. I don’t care how they do things.

I do care how things are done in my country. The thought of having those programs here is something to be excited and against.

Watching the news and seeing how excited Europe was about certain of our Presidential Canidates helped me determine which canidate I would support.

I read a great book once… did you know to maintain a culture the birthrate needs to be above 2 percent per year. Did you know that in Europe that the average birthrate is 1.8 percent. America right now is Hanging at 2.1.

Most Muslims Countries is at 6.8 percent.
If you care about your culture you may want to get people to start thinking about having more babies.
 
KenEOTE said:
I am not excited about how Europe does things. I don’t care how they do things.

I do care how things are done in my country. The thought of having those programs here is something to be excited and against.

Watching the news and seeing how excited Europe was about certain of our Presidential Canidates helped me determine which canidate I would support.
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Oh, I don’t think we Europeans should give a damn about the internal affairs of the US.
I read a great book once… did you know to maintain a culture the birthrate needs to be above 2 percent per year. Did you know that in Europe that the average birthrate is 1.8 percent. America right now is Hanging at 2.1.
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Most Muslims Countries is at 6.8 percent.
If you care about your culture you may want to get people to start thinking about having more babies.
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That’s none of your business - on the other hand, should you use the search mechanism (or, better, google) you’ll find any number of threads where we’ve argued this subject (including both the statistics and raw numbers) into the ground over the past couple of years.
 
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