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I encourage Catholics and Protestants alike to read Institues of Christian Religion by John Calvin, and Bondage of the Will by Martin Luther. If Catholics want to really understand historic Protestantism, you need to read it for yourself.
calvin, martin luther…hunmmm. arent these guys the ones who separated themselves from the CC? hunmmm…now i wonder…should i follow the Church or should i follow a monk who tried to destroy the Church Jesus found?

Humnnnnn… i think i will side with the Church. yep… i think i should stick with Jesus Church.

**St. Thomas Aquinas concurs: “To reject but one article of faith taught by the Church is enough to destroy faith as one mortal sin is enough to destroy charity…”

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Personally, I don’t think someone can be an expert of John Calvin without reading the Institutes of Christian Religion. Why so much emphasis on morality when you consider the apparent morality of Pope Leo and Teztle?
I am not an expert in anything, much less John Calvin.

As far as I know, John Calvin could have been the morally purest human being next to Jesus, Mary, and John the Baptist that ever lived.

But personal morality is not the issue. We all fall short.

I am speaking of the moral teachings of the original reformers and how their teachings against contraception have morphed into what the vast majority of Christians, including most who claim the Catholic Church, believe today.
 
Not to get too deep into this, but do you think that there is merrit in reading non-Biblical histories of the era and area?

Can you learn from reading other people’s take on the Gospel?
I agree with everyone here, that we should read what others have to say throughout church history. Ephesians chapter 4 seems to teach this too. Sola Scriptura has nothing to do with reading extra-biblical sources. I think the purpose of this thread is to get a collection of extra-biblical sources for us to consider to study and read for ourselves. I personally had read books by Scott Hahn and Patrick Madrid.
 
I recommend Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton. And don’t let the title fool you, it is not a book about Eastern Orthodoxy. 👍

I also surprisingly enjoyed Pilgrim’s Progress by John Bunyan if you are looking for a book written by a Protestant.

God bless
 
Pilgrim’s Progress is great. There is a universal message there I think.
 
This is some years old, but anything by Frank Sheed is very good reading in my opinion. One of his is “To Know Christ Jesus” which follows the New Testament but with a lot of information and study. Another is “Theology and Sanity”, which starts with the Creation and then discusses all the important facts of our Faith.
They are in readable style and though published some years ago I think very standard and basic.
 
Pilgrim’s Progress is great. There is a universal message there I think.
So you have already read it then?

Then try C.S. Lewis’s Case for Christ although written by Art Lindsley and not C.S. Lewis himself I found it a great read.

I still stand by Orthodoxy though.

God bless
 
This is some years old, but anything by Frank Sheed is very good reading in my opinion. One of his is “To Know Christ Jesus” which follows the New Testament but with a lot of information and study. Another is “Theology and Sanity”, which starts with the Creation and then discusses all the important facts of our Faith.
They are in readable style and though published some years ago I think very standard and basic.
Speaking of Frank Sheed I really liked his book "Theology for Beginners. 👍
 
Ok guys I have a £15 voucher for waterstones, and I don’t know what to get. Any books on catholicism, protestantism, christianity, theology you could recommend. I’m thinking ‘imitation of christ’ but anyone have any other suggestions.

We can talk books on this thread 😃
I’m reading it now as a daily devotional.

It is very powerful and convicting.

He seems to know me!
 
I encourage Catholics and Protestants alike to read Institues of Christian Religion by John Calvin, and Bondage of the Will by Martin Luther. If Catholics want to really understand historic Protestantism, you need to read it for yourself.
I have a certain degree of interest in reading Martin Luther’s writings, but (quite frankly) not much interest in reading John Calvin.

No offense, I hope.
If our ticket to heaven is by our personal obedience to the moral law, Heaven will only contain Jesus along with the 1st and 3rd person of the Triune God.

And the elect Angels. 🙂
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I agree with everyone here, that we should read what others have to say throughout church history. Ephesians chapter 4 seems to teach this too. Sola Scriptura has nothing to do with reading extra-biblical sources. I think the purpose of this thread is to get a collection of extra-biblical sources for us to consider to study and read for ourselves. I personally had read books by Scott Hahn and Patrick Madrid.
Why, then, are you opposed to reading Pope Benedict’s book, Jesus of Nazareth?
 
For a bit of enjoyable “lighter” reading, I would recommend any Scott Hahn book or Jeff Cavins’ “My Life on the Rock”.

in Christ
Steph
 
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Personally, I don’t think someone can be an expert of John Calvin without reading the Institutes of Christian Religion. Why so much emphasis on morality when you consider the apparent morality of Pope Leo and Teztle?
I am not an expert in anything, much less John Calvin.

As far as I know, John Calvin could have been the morally purest human being next to Jesus, Mary, and John the Baptist that ever lived.

But personal morality is not the issue. We all fall short.

I am speaking of the moral teachings of the original reformers and how their teachings against contraception have morphed into what the vast majority of Christians, including most who claim the Catholic Church, believe today.
 
Why, then, are you opposed to reading Pope Benedict’s book, Jesus of Nazareth?
I’m not opposed to it. It’s more of a lack of interest. Are you saying that if I read Pope Benedict’s book, will you read the Institutes of Christian Religion by John Calvin?
 
I’m not opposed to it. It’s more of a lack of interest.
Fair point.

Still, I don’t quite get why you’re interested in reading Hahn and Madrid but not Benedict.

If I didn’t know better, I’d say that you want to read Catholic authors, but not the heavyweights. What are you, chicken? 😉
Are you saying that if I read Pope Benedict’s book, will you read the Institutes of Christian Religion by John Calvin?
No, I don’t think that’s what I was saying. :tsktsk:
 
Fair point.

Still, I don’t quite get why you’re interested in reading Hahn and Madrid but not Benedict.

If I didn’t know better, I’d say that you want to read Catholic authors, but not the heavyweights. What are you, chicken? 😉

No, I don’t think that’s what I was saying. :tsktsk:
Do you think Pope Benedict’s book has more significants than John Calvin’s Institute? One book is considered a classic, even within secular circles and secular universities. As a non-Catholic, I never heard of Pope Benedict’s book until now. Which book has more copies published?

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John Calvin’s Institutes of the Christian Religion is a monumental work that stands among the greatest works of Christian theology and Western literature. It ranks with works such as St. Augustine’s Confessions and City of God in value, insight and significance. The Institutes have molded the church’s understanding of Christian doctrine for generations and has had untold influence in the development of Western thought in both the religious and civil arenas.

Calvin’s Institutes represent his life work in teaching theology. They first appeared in 1536 and went through three significant revisions - each expanding and building upon the previous. This particular edition represents the final form and of which Calvin was very pleased.

Originally written to give basic understanding of Christian doctrine, they became one of the earliest systematic theologies of the Reformed tradition. Calvin’s stated desire is to give the reader the necessary background to read and accurately handle the great doctrines and promises of the Bible.

Calvin sent a copy to the King Francis I to encourage him to stop persecuting the Christians who were embracing the gospel as taught by the Reformers. His basic argument was that if the king understood what these people believed he would stop killing them as heretics but rather see them as faithful adherents of historical Christianity. Calvin was no lover of novelty and throughout the Institutes copiously sights from the early church fathers and the long history of the Church’s understanding of doctrine.

This two-volume work is broken down into four books that loosely follow the outline of the Apostle’s Creed. Book 1 concerns knowledge of God. Book 2 is about Jesus Christ as redeemer. Book 3 is about the Holy Spirit’s role in applying Christ’s redeeming graces. Book 4 is about the church and practice.

This particular edition, translated by Battles and edited by McNeil is more expensive than the one produce by Beverage, but it is worth every extra dollar you spend. While the church is indebted to Beverage for his labor of love in getting many works by Calvin translated into English, his command of both French and Latin were not as strong as Battles. In fact, Beverage does not even deal with Calvin’s Latin version of the Institutes. They were originally produced in both Latin and French and Battles’ work demonstrates his competency in dealing with both languages. Also, Battles’ mastery of Calvin’s other writings is reflected in his voluminous footnotes, many of them very helpful to the reader for clarifying, further reading and cross-referencing. In addition, the indexes in the Battles edition are invaluable not only for searching the Institutes for topics but for gleaming Calvin’s understanding of the church fathers.

Agree or disagree with Calvin, these are a necessary read for anyone who desires an understanding of the development of Western thought, literature and theology. They are not only great theology; they represent excellent writing and development of an argument. They are also highly pastoral and devotional. They are not like reading a modern systematic theology. Calvin understood doctrine to be more than theory, but something to mold our understanding of God, ourselves and the world in which we live. Carefully working through the Institutes is a journey worth taking!

Soli Deo Gloria!

Douglas VanderMeulen (Fargo, ND) (Amazon Review)
 
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