Calling All Protestants

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Hi All !
Just a comment about the church in general and the guarantee of Jesus. I guess anti- catholics in general, from the time of the apostles till the present time never read, that the gates of hell will never prevail. Judas is the first that comes to mind.

God Bless All
Bob:):coffee:
 
onenow1 said:
Hi All !
Just a comment about the church in general and the guarantee of Jesus. I guess anti- catholics in general, from the time of the apostles till the present time never read, that the gates of hell will never prevail. Judas is the first that comes to mind.

God Bless All
Bob:):coffee:
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Yes, one would think that if the Catholic Church ceased to be the Church of Christ in the early centuries, the case could be made that the gates of hell had prevailed. I don’t know any Protestant who has openly drawn that conclusion, yet there appears to be the implicit assent to it by those who say the Catholic Church ceased to be the Church of Christ. Then where did the true Church go until Martin Luther came along and hundreds of other reformers came along to produce hundreds of other “true” churches?
 
Charlemagne_III said:
No sir. I’m not interested in yours or Keating’s canned answers to my questions.

I’m interested in why and when Protestants believe the Catholic Church ceased to be the Church of Christ. I’m interested in hearing from Protestants themselves more so than I am interested in hearing from you or Keating. This is a forum for dialogue, not patty-cake. You seem to have a totally belligerent attitude that doesn’t fit my agenda, so I’m going to ignore your future posts.

On the other hand, I welcome any Proterstant who wishes to answer any of those three questions I posed. I think it’s fair to ask a Protestant to clarify why he is a Protestant and why he thinks Catholicism is not a true religion, even when he might think some of Catholicism is true but he believes it is not worthy of his choosing to be a Catholic.

After all, this is an apologetics forum. O.K.? 🤷

Let’s love each other rather than hammer each other for asking difficult or provocative questions.
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Well then why haven’t any of the wide variety of Protestants that are on CAF answered you? I don’t see them jumping in because a number of them are very intelligent and recognize a trap when they see it. There is a different between real apologetics and having a hard edge to use to pound others with. The first builds bridges, the second makes divisions.
 
robwar said:
Well then why haven’t any of the wide variety of Protestants that are on CAF answered you? I don’t see them jumping in because a number of them are very intelligent and recognize a trap when they see it. There is a different between real apologetics and having a hard edge to use to pound others with. The first builds bridges, the second makes divisions.
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It doesn’t matter if they answer me. All that really matters is that they see the three questions. If they stop short of answering, it is not because they sense a trap; it is because they have no answer. I am content to place the questions in their minds and have them mull these questions over. If they cannot answer them with a robust confidence in their ability to do so, that alone is an interesting reaction that they might want to think about.
 
Charlemagne_III said:
It doesn’t matter if they answer me. All that really matters is that they see the three questions. If they stop short of answering, it is not because they sense a trap; it is because they have no answer.
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Throwing in my opinion.

For what it’s worth, protestants don’t necessarily see the three questions as being applicable. The Catholic church is not necessarily viewed as a corrupt version of Christianity. To some all that matters is the belief in Christ and a desire to follow him to the best of one’s imperfect abilities.

That’s not to say that non exists to which your questions would apply. But knowing that some one is Protestant doesn’t imply that the person has the adversarial feelings and thoughts suggested by these questions.

Okay, I’m done. Carry on.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
Throwing in my opinion.

For what it’s worth, protestants don’t necessarily see the three questions as being applicable. The Catholic church is not necessarily viewed as a corrupt version of Christianity. To some all that matters is the belief in Christ and a desire to follow him to the best of one’s imperfect abilities.
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This is not what I hear about the Protestant view of Catholicism.

We must move in different circles? 😉

The three questions ought to be applicable, though I suppose for some protestants there is never even the need to think about them. But even Catholics might want to hear some coherent version of why and how (according to modern Protestants) the early Catholic Church ceased to be the true Church of Christ.
 
Charlemagne_III said:
The three questions ought to be applicable, though I suppose for some protestants there is never even the need to think about them.
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I suspect in many cases people don’t think of them and go with a variant of what was presented by parents or some one else. I also suspect that knowledge of the history and origins of the various denominations, while easily accessible, is not something with which people commonly familiarize themselves. The relationship between the Catholic church and one’s own denomination may never come to mind.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
The relationship between the Catholic church and one’s own denomination may never come to mind.
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The fact that Protestant sects as a whole not only repudiate Catholicism, but also repudiate each of the other sects within Protestantism, may never come to mind. The history of all Christian denominations is woefully neglected by most Christians. But that shouldn’t spurprise us. All American history, as we know from student surveys, is woefully neglected in the public schools. World history is even more so neglected. Try to find a student who can name the four presidents on mount Rushmore, or an average student who can tell the name of the author of the Declaration of Independence.

I once surveyed my students with a ten question test.

On the test I gave the opening sentence of the Declaration of Indpendence, and asked the students to identify the author. 80% of the students identified Martin Luther King. 20% gave other sources. No one gave Thomas Jefferson.

Imagine asking them to identify the speaker of the following verse.

“Let there be light.”

If they gave any name at all, it most likely would be Thomas Edison. :newidea:
 
:rotfl:

Yesterday I watched a video narrated by a woman converted to Catholicism from Church of England and although she did seem on the Catholic side, she did also seem to allow too much of the other side of the story without enough of a rebuttal from the Catholic side;
Although, I suspect that the fact she was a Catholic convert, she may have had the idea that her religious choice was rebuttal enough …

One well dressed gentleman she was interviewing was referring to the Pope as the *"anti-Christ …
seems to me that there’s not much love lost by most Protestants for Catholics and to be perfectly honest, I find it difficult to turn the other cheek. :ehh:

rex
 
Charlemagne_III said:
…]On the test I gave the opening sentence of the Declaration of Indpendence, and asked the students to identify the author. 80% of the students identified Martin Luther King. 20% gave other sources. No one gave Thomas Jefferson.
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That’s a little…sad
Charlemagne_III said:
Imagine asking them to identify the speaker of the following verse.

“Let there be light.”

If they gave any name at all, it most likely would be Thomas Edison. :newidea:
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…and I imagine that occurring in a comedy. It may be worth asking some students just to see what happens.
 
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