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[Phemie]

Earlier this year when they announced that the new translation to the Lectionary had been approved, the CCCB said that the new translation would be a go for the First Sunday in Advent 2008, the start of Year B. Since then, nothing.

I’m starting to wonder if they are going to make us wait until the new translation of the Roman Missal is promulgated, which I understand is when they will also implement the ‘new’ GIRM.

Has anyone heard anything?

 

[trc121805]

Hi Phemie,

I just sent an e-mail to the CCCB National Liturgy Office asking that question as I’ve been wondering as well. I’ll post the answer here once I hear back from them.

If you want to contact them too, their e-mail address is:

liturgy@cccb.ca

I’m hoping they don’t wait…the sooner we have something more suitable in Canada, the better!

 

[bpbasilphx]

Earlier this year when they announced that the new translation to the Lectionary had been approved, the CCCB said that the new translation would be a go for the First Sunday in Advent 2008, the start of Year B. Since then, nothing.

**If nothing has changed, why would they need to say anything at all yet?

The last official (I assume) announcement is that the new lectionary version goes into effect Advent 1 2008, and nothing has been said since to modify this.**

 

[Phemie]

Earlier this year when they announced that the new translation to the Lectionary had been approved, the CCCB said that the new translation would be a go for the First Sunday in Advent 2008, the start of Year B. Since then, nothing.

**If nothing has changed, why would they need to say anything at all yet?

The last official (I assume) announcement is that the new lectionary version goes into effect Advent 1 2008, and nothing has been said since to modify this.**

Except that we are 8 weeks away and there is no revised Lectionary in evidence. I’ve been waiting for a notice to order them for the parish and have seen nothing. My pastor wasn’t even aware that such was supposed to be coming.

 

[trc121805]

I heard back from the CCCB and there was a bit of a delay, but everything has been resolved. They expect to have it out to parishes by January.

 

[Phemie]

I heard back from the CCCB and there was a bit of a delay, but everything has been resolved. They expect to have it out to parishes by January.

Interesting. I wonder if that means that for a while the readings in the “Living With Christ” and the “Sunday Missal” will not quite match the readings that will be proclaimed from the old Lectionary.

Thank you for checking with the CCCB.

 

[Phemie]

-Just got the 2008-2009 Sunday Missal and did some quick comparing. Yup, the new translation is used. That means that if you’re following your readings in your Missal they might not be quite the same as what is being proclaimed from the ambo.

The few Pauline letters that I looked at start with ‘Brothers and Sisters’ where there used to be no salutation.

Messiah is translated as “the Christ” rather than ‘the anointed’. Those are just the few differences I picked up on in a quick scan.

 

[Phemie]

So far the most notable differences are in the responses to the Psalms on Sundays. Today I had to print off all the new responses from now 'til Palm Sunday and tape them into the Lectionary – I couldn’t stand the look of confusion on the reader’s face when the response wasn’t what he/she had practiced and the people’s lukewarm responses when what the reader said didn’t match what was in the Missal or the Living With Christ.

 

[trc121805]

Hi Phemie,

I haven’t looked all that close at the ones at our parish - which one were you looking at? Our parish has the “New…St. Joseph Sunday Missals” in the pews.

 

[Frosty]

So far the most notable differences are in the responses to the Psalms on Sundays. Today I had to print off all the new responses from now 'til Palm Sunday and tape them into the Lectionary – I couldn’t stand the look of confusion on the reader’s face when the response wasn’t what he/she had practiced and the people’s lukewarm responses when what the reader said didn’t match what was in the Missal or the Living With Christ.

In our Diocese we use the Living With Christ Sunday Missal. The wording of the responses in it is often quite different than those in the Catholic Book of Worship III from which we are asked to say the responses. It is confusing and I guess that’s why not too many people follow along in the Missals.
A few weeks ago I was speaking with the Bishop’s secretary and asked him why there was such a discrepancy in the translations. His answer was that the Living with Christ translations were American while those in the Catholic Book of Worship are specifically written for the U.K. and Canada. Since our Bishop was one of the five Canadian Bishops present at the recent Synod of Bishops in Rome, I asked if he had heard anything new about when the new translations for all the English speaking coun tries would come out. His reply was that they had great hopes it would be ready in time for the first Sunday of Advent this year. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. He also said that new norms concerning standing and kneeling during Mass [not talking about Communion here] were in the works for everybody. There only remained a few minor details to be worked out.
In this Diocese, most of the parishes have already begun to implement these changes at the request of the Bishop. What they boil down to in that instead of kneeling again after the Agnus Dei as has always been done as long as I can remember, the congregation remains standing until after Communion. We started it in my parish the beginning November. It takes getting used to, let me tell you!. I asked if this was simply something decided by the CCCB but was told that the directive would be coming from Rome, from the Congregation for Divine Worship.

 

[Phemie]

In our Diocese we use the Living With Christ Sunday Missal. The wording of the responses in it is often quite different than those in the Catholic Book of Worship III from which we are asked to say the responses. It is confusing and I guess that’s why not too many people follow along in the Missals.
A few weeks ago I was speaking with the Bishop’s secretary and asked him why there was such a discrepancy in the translations. His answer was that the Living with Christ translations were American while those in the Catholic Book of Worship are specifically written for the U.K. and Canada.

The secretary is wrong. The American Lectionary uses the New American Bible (NAB) translation. Until November 30, the translation in the Living with Christ was the New Standard Revised Version (NRSV) translation, a translation that only Canadians use and it matched our Lectionary perfectly.

The reason we now have a new translation is because the NRSV is forbidden for Liturgy and it’s taken the CCCB close to 15 years to come up with a new translation after being ordered to do so as soon as the Lectionary was published so many years ago.

Now the CCCB didn’t go with the NRSV when it compiled the CBW III. I’m not sure which translation they used but it didn’t match the Lectionary. It still won’t because from what I’ve seen the psalms themselves haven’t changed much, if at all, the changes are in the wording of the responses.

The translation your bishop was expecting in Advent were the changes to the Lectionary because the changes to the Roman Missal are not likely to be seen for at least another year, if not two. The Lectionary translation is approved and it’s what we now find in the Living with Christ and the Sunday Missal. The new Lectionaries themselves have not arrived in the parishes yet.

AFAIK, they haven’t even finished translating all the books for the Roman Missal and they have to submit those to Rome for approval. All we know for sure is that the translation of the Ordinary of the Mass is done and approved and can be seen on the USCCB website.

As for the changes coming to the posture during Mass, I heard Archbishop Prendergast talk of changes that had been agreed upon and instituted by the Atlantic Bishops’ Conference while he was still Archbishop of Halifax. One was kneeling throughout the Eucharistic Prayer. I’ve yet to see that implemented in my Atlantic diocese, in fact, in our parish we stand for the entire EP and the bishop hasn’t even commented on it beyond telling those who complained about it that since it had been requested by the pastor it was the posture to use.

 

[Phemie]

Hi Phemie,

I haven’t looked all that close at the ones at our parish - which one were you looking at? Our parish has the “New…St. Joseph Sunday Missals” in the pews.

We use the “Sunday Missal” or the “Living With Christ” both by Novalis. We don’t provide a Missal in the pew; we order a certain number for sale to the parishioners but many people don’t use them at all. I rarely follow along in a book so hadn’t really noticed the differences until I started seeing one very confused Reader. I checked things out and then figured out what was happening.

This week I put an explanation in the bulletin, reassuring the congregation the the Readers “don’t need new glasses and aren’t changing anything on their own.”

 

[Frosty]

The secretary is wrong. The American Lectionary uses the New American Bible (NAB) translation. Until November 30, the translation in the Living with Christ was the New Standard Revised Version (NRSV) translation, a translation that only Canadians use and it matched our Lectionary perfectly.

The reason we now have a new translation is because the NRSV is forbidden for Liturgy and it’s taken the CCCB close to 15 years to come up with a new translation after being ordered to do so as soon as the Lectionary was published so many years ago.

Now the CCCB didn’t go with the NRSV when it compiled the CBW III. I’m not sure which translation they used but it didn’t match the Lectionary. It still won’t because from what I’ve seen the psalms themselves haven’t changed much, if at all, the changes are in the wording of the responses.

The translation your bishop was expecting in Advent were the changes to the Lectionary because the changes to the Roman Missal are not likely to be seen for at least another year, if not two. The Lectionary translation is approved and it’s what we now find in the Living with Christ and the Sunday Missal. The new Lectionaries themselves have not arrived in the parishes yet.

AFAIK, they haven’t even finished translating all the books for the Roman Missal and they have to submit those to Rome for approval. All we know for sure is that the translation of the Ordinary of the Mass is done and approved and can be seen on the USCCB website.

As for the changes coming to the posture during Mass, I heard Archbishop Prendergast talk of changes that had been agreed upon and instituted by the Atlantic Bishops’ Conference while he was still Archbishop of Halifax. One was kneeling throughout the Eucharistic Prayer. I’ve yet to see that implemented in my Atlantic diocese, in fact, in our parish we stand for the entire EP and the bishop hasn’t even commented on it beyond telling those who complained about it that since it had been requested by the pastor it was the posture to use.

All I know is what the Bishop’s secretary told me. I had read somewhere that the responses in the new Sunday Missal put out for the year 2008-2009 would correspond with those in the CBW III and when they didn’t, I was curious as to why not.
As far as the posture norms go, it seems from your response that the Atlantic Conference and the Ontario Conference are quite different. I have always lived in Ontario, [three different Dioceses] and the posture has never changed. We have always knelt from after the Sanctus to after the great Amen. Then we stood until after the Agnus Dei when we knelt again until Communion was over. In fact, the same posture that we used prior to the Mass of PaulVI. That’s why I said that being asked to remain standing from after the great Amen until after Communion was hard to get used to.
In my parish we do have the Missals available in the pews along with the CBW III. Not enough for each parishoner but usually four or five per pew. Some use them to follow along with the readings but that’s about it. It’s rare to see someone with the Missal in his/her hand throughout Mass.

 

[Phemie]

I heard back from the CCCB and there was a bit of a delay, but everything has been resolved. They expect to have it out to parishes by January.

We just got the notification that the Sunday Lectionary is ready for ordering and that they should be in the parishes by the end of February. The date of its implementation is still up in the air.

 

[Phemie]

trc;121805:

I heard back from the CCCB and there was a bit of a delay, but everything has been resolved. They expect to have it out to parishes by January.

We just got the notification that the Sunday Lectionary is ready for ordering and that they should be in the parishes by the end of February. The date of its implementation is still up in the air.

Got notification from our bishop on Friday that the CCCB has decreed that use of the new Lectionary is mandatory as of Pentecost Sunday. The decree is here.

 

[jmcrae]

-Just got the 2008-2009 Sunday Missal and did some quick comparing. Yup, the new translation is used. That means that if you’re following your readings in your Missal they might not be quite the same as what is being proclaimed from the ambo.

AH, I was wondering what was up with that.

 

[Esdras]

But they are still using the NRSV Catholic Edition. I know this because I watch the daily mass on Vision TV and I follow the readings in my copy of the NRSV Catholic Edition.

 

[Phemie]

But they are still using the NRSV Catholic Edition. I know this because I watch the daily mass on Vision TV and I follow the readings in my copy of the NRSV Catholic Edition.

Yes, they will be using the old Lectionary until Pentecost. The new Lectionary continues to use the NRSV but with some changes, some major, some minor, per the agreement they reached with Rome early last year.

We notice the changes because the Living With Christ and the Sunday Missal, both published by Novalis, use the new translation. The new Lectionary was supposed to be in use on the First Sunday of Advent 2008 but it was delayed until May 2009 so the readings we hear don’t quite match the Novalis publications all the time.