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So the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is the most common in many Eastern Churches, correct? Which Liturgy is most common in the West?
 
MarcoPolo said:
So the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is the most common in many Eastern Churches, correct? Which Liturgy is most common in the West?
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The Roman Rite liturgy of course, specifically the OF - though I guess some people out there don’t like that fact. 😛

(The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is of the Byzantine Rite, just like that of the Liturgy of St. Basil and the Presanctified Liturgy.)
 
Since Patrick brought it up…for centuries, the most used rite in the West, and indeed in the Catholic Church, was what is now the “extraordinary form” of the Roman rite (the Traditional Latin Mass). The Pauline liturgy promulgated in 1969 has been the “ordinary form” for the past 40-some years.

There used to be more variety in the West, more rites and uses, but over time, and especially recently, these have been discontinued or revised to make them more like the present Roman rite.
 
So there wasn’t a particular Saint or incident that germinated the Roman Rite similar to St. Chrysostom or St. Basil in the East?
 
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So there wasn’t a particular Saint or incident that germinated the Roman Rite similar to St. Chrysostom or St. Basil in the East?
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IIRC, was not Pope St. Gregory the Great responsible for the beginnings of the Roman rite? And it was Pope St. Pius V that codified it after the Council of Trent?
 
The origins of the Roman rite are hazy for lack of historical data. Fortescue asserted that it is the oldest Christian rite in continuous use (referring to the extraordinary form), though some will debate this point. Its general arrangement goes back to St. Gregory, but he didn’t create it. The core part of the Roman Canon goes back at least to the fourth century. We don’t know the names of the holy men who composed the prayers, which evolved slowly and organically over the centuries. And yes, St. Pius V made it more uniform in 1570.
 
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Since Patrick brought it up…for centuries, the most used rite in the West, and indeed in the Catholic Church, was what is now the “extraordinary form” of the Roman rite (the Traditional Latin Mass). The Pauline liturgy promulgated in 1969 has been the “ordinary form” for the past 40-some years.

There used to be more variety in the West, more rites and uses, but over time, and especially recently, these have been discontinued or revised to make them more like the present Roman rite.
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Exactly. There used to be different liturgical rites in different areas - Gaul (modern France), Spain, the British Isles, Roman Africa, even in Italy. However, the Roman Rite soon spread and pretty much put most of the liturgical rites into disuse.

Part of that was due to the Franks (and then the Carolingians), who liked the Roman way of worship and used it as a tool to unite all the local churches under their realm; the Frankish kings decreed that only the Roman rite would be used in their territory, with the old local liturgies to be disused. (What happened though was that when the Roman Rite was introduced into Gaul, the local churches soon began to combine and supplement it with elements from the former liturgies they were using; this hybrid liturgy then made its way back to Rome, where it supplanted its parent. That’s why, if you wanna be precise, our present liturgical rite - both EF and OF - is actually ‘Gallo-Roman’.) It was also due to some medieval popes who attempted to unite the whole Latin West in the wake of stuff like the East-West schism and whatnot, and thus, tried to stem liturgical diversity. Certain popes pushed for the abolition of liturgies like that of the Mozarabic Rite (used in Spain) or the Ambrosian Rite (used in Milan); in those two cases, their attempts were unsuccessful. (The Ambrosian Rite really continued to exist; the Mozarabic Rite, on the other hand, eventually met its demise later at the Reconquista.)
 
Butzi said:
IIRC, was not Pope St. Gregory the Great responsible for the beginnings of the Roman rite?
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It doesn’t take a long reading of history to understand that early on there was much diversity and local variations in areas of Liturgy. Yet, Pope Saint Gregory the Great does stand out as one the Church (and Roman Rite) owes much in regards to maintaining and passing on what was (and still is) essential; and in regards to the reverence owed in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
 
MarcoPolo said:
So the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is the most common in many Eastern Churches, correct? Which Liturgy is most common in the West?
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Both East and West liturgies most likely find their origins in the organic evolution of these two early liturgies:
  1. The Divine Liturgy of the Holy Apostle and Evangelist Mark, the Disciple of the Holy Peter:
    catholicculture.org/culture/library/fathers/view.cfm?recnum=1876
  2. The Liturgy of the Blessed Apostles:
    catholicculture.org/culture/library/fathers/view.cfm?recnum=1877
 
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