Calvary Chapel Schism imminent

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Soooooo. . . Does anyone want to talk about this? I have a few friends in CC and they’re confused about the whole issue. Can I just say that I think this is significant because I bel believe that CC has always fancied themselves as protestantism done right. And I guess it held until their founder died. There is talk that the successor has “gone emergent”, whatever that means. But I think that the Calvary chapel Association is just painting him that way in order to make it easy for them to dismiss him
 
Interesting. Thanks for the notice, Imprimartin.

From what I read in this article it seems like it’s just the Costa Mesa church that’s leaving.

Calvary Chapel still has Brian Brodersen listed on their homepage..
 
Yes the Costa Mesa church is leaving, but that is YUGE in CC eyes. Costa Mesa is the root church, and most CCers cannot imagine a Calvary chapel without Costa Mesa. And the Calvary Chapel association (CCA) which is also homed in Costa Mesa, they are splitting from the pastor of Costa Mesa who was appointed by Pastor Chuck himself, the founder.

Brian brodersen married Chuck’s daughter and is the successor. The CCA can’t get rid of Costa Mesa without some serious surgery. Many planted churches (many respected pillars who come from Cosa Mesa) will side with Brian while others will side with the CCA.
 
Ahh, gotcha. I knew Costa Mesa was important but not pillar-of-the-church important. Now I’ve got a clearer picture.

I occasionally catch that Back to Basics program on my commute. I’m obviously not the best person to judge such things, but I can see (even apart from his marriage to Pastor Chuck’s daughter) why he’s a popular fellow.
 
No access to Facebook at work for me, but I’ll definitely check it out as soon as I can.

Thanks again! 🙂
 
I am reposting from another forum since it may have not been the appropriate one:

Soooooo. . . Does anyone want to talk about this? I have a few friends in CC and they’re confused about the whole issue. Can I just say that I think this is significant because I believe that CC has always fancied themselves as protestantism-done-right. And I guess it held until their founder died. There is talk that the successor has “gone emergent”, whatever that means. But I think that the Calvary chapel Association is just painting him that way in order to make it easy for them to dismiss him

We often talk about how new denominations pop up each week, but I think this is a big deal.

-Martin
 
Imprimartin said:
I believe that CC has always fancied themselves as protestantism-done-right.
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Wouldn’t that be correct to say about most new churches? Why start your own church unless you believe it somehow better than the others?
And I guess it held until their founder died.
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This happens often. A new charismatic preacher draws a crowd; then, when he retires or dies, the crowd goes elsewhere.

Didn’t Chuck Smith preach that the world would end in the 1980’s and lose credibility when that failed to happen?
 
I once heard that Schism begets schism I wonder if this is part of that
 
PaulfromIowa said:
Didn’t Chuck Smith preach that the world would end in the 1980’s and lose credibility when that failed to happen?
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While he did predict that, I can’t say to what level his credibility was lost (if it all) considering he was going strong for 30 years after that. He definitely did better in that regard than someone like Harold Camping who predicted the world would end in 2011.

I occasionally would listen to their Pastors’ Perspective show (kind of a Calvary version of Catholic Answers Live) and I can say the closer Chuck Smith neared death in 2013 the more vocal he was about saying we were near the end times.
 
We should not be surprised at these protestant sects disintegrating. They are separated from Christ’s One True Church. We need to pray for all protestants to come Home to the Church that Jesus founded, the Catholic Church.
 
I know this - I started to come to faith thru the radio ministry of Greg Laurie. He shared the Gospel in a way I had not heard a Catholic do - and it started to open my eyes and give me hope.

I am sorry to hear of this, and will pray for them.

Here is a quote from the Facebook article:

“There has been a lot of talk about unity but for me unity is only impressive when it contains diversity. A unity that comes through division and exclusion isn’t really unity at all.”

Wisdom in those words.
 
When I read that statement in the article, I immediately thought, “What do they mean by diversity?” The RCC has the most diversity ever, in how they strive to keep intact the cultures of those they evangelize. But protestant diversity, to me, means diversity of doctrine. At least, it seems to me that way. I could be wrong tho.
 
Imprimartin said:
When I read that statement in the article, I immediately thought, “What do they mean by diversity?” The RCC has the most diversity ever, in how they strive to keep intact the cultures of those they evangelize. But protestant diversity, to me, means diversity of doctrine. At least, it seems to me that way. I could be wrong tho.
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You’re not wrong about that - that is why you have protestant denominations who allow doctrines to be set at the regional level; some denominations allow their regional bishops to decide if they will allow same-sex marriage in their territory, for example. They get so “inclusive” that it gets to the point that since they try to stand for everything, really they end up standing for nothing at all.
 
Imprimartin said:
Soooooo. . . Does anyone want to talk about this? I have a few friends in CC and they’re confused about the whole issue. Can I just say that I think this is significant because I bel believe that CC has always fancied themselves as protestantism done right. And I guess it held until their founder died. There is talk that the successor has “gone emergent”, whatever that means. But I think that the Calvary chapel Association is just painting him that way in order to make it easy for them to dismiss him
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Not the first and won’t be the last.
 
Imprimartin said:
Soooooo. . . Does anyone want to talk about this? I have a few friends in CC and they’re confused about the whole issue. Can I just say that I think this is significant because I bel believe that CC has always fancied themselves as protestantism done right. And I guess it held until their founder died. There is talk that the successor has “gone emergent”, whatever that means. But I think that the Calvary chapel Association is just painting him that way in order to make it easy for them to dismiss him
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Well, its not surprising. Calvary Chapel always emphasized that it was a fellowship of churches with similar ideals, values, styles, and characteristics shaped by Chuck Smith–but it never claimed to be a “church” in the ecclesiological sense.
 
The Calvary Chapel in my town has changed its name to Crossroads Church south campus.
 
PaulfromIowa said:
Wouldn’t that be correct to say about most new churches? Why start your own church unless you believe it somehow better than the others?

This happens often. A new charismatic preacher draws a crowd; then, when he retires or dies, the crowd goes elsewhere.
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This is an important point. I think we can safely say all new churches start with the idea they are doing things more correctly or completely correctly. This can even be in saying they are more correct in being less dogmatic, though the truth is new churches are always very dogmatic, at least about what they consider important.

I think you are right that the loss of the initial leader is a problem. But it is also a problem that the later generations brought up in that church have less dogmatism about the dogmatic points that created the church in the first place. This leads to a diversity of opinion and eventually a division.
Imprimartin said:
When I read that statement in the article, I immediately thought, “What do they mean by diversity?” The RCC has the most diversity ever, in how they strive to keep intact the cultures of those they evangelize. But protestant diversity, to me, means diversity of doctrine. At least, it seems to me that way. I could be wrong tho.
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The Catholic Church has plenty of diversity in doctrine too. There are dogmas but there is liberty outside of them. As a convert I was most surprised by the amount of diversity within the Church. I had formed the notion that because the Catholic Church was so well known for having dogmas Catholic life must be pretty much unified. Of course every religious group has dogmas even if it is to say someone else’s dogma is not dogmatic. But as I began to investigate the Catholic Church I came to see how well she holds together such diverse groups. I eventually came to believe that the Catholic Church, surprisingly from my former point of view, actually had more diversity.
 
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