Discourse does not have an “ignore button”.
Please, spare me. My husband, his parents and half of his grandparents were Calvinist. I have been married to him for almost 25 years and knew the entire family for 35 years (his folks just passed away recently).
“If the thread bothers you, you are free to contribute something substantive, or alternatively you can select the “mute thread” option and you yourself will never have to see the thread again, although that doesn’t stop the rest of us from discussing it”SojournerOnEarth:
Please, spare me. My husband, his parents and half of his grandparents were Calvinist. I have been married to him for almost 25 years and knew the entire family for 35 years (his folks just passed away recently).
I am not interested in any apologia for Calvinism. I think it’s ridiculous.
The thread isn’t bothering me. I expressed a strong eye-rolling disagreement with your particular post, which I am free to do.
Our innate tendency to sin as a result of the Adamic Fall. Yes.
Yes, but there’s nothing to lead me to believe that it is irresistible. Or that I’m so depraved that I can’t chose to respond to it without being force-fed.
We did not choose. We are merely stuck with the consequences of his choice.
We are depraved, truly!
I belong to the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church Founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ where Christ is physically present during every Mass and Adoration, and His Mother Mary is my mother also and is honored.
Calvinists have been retreating on their definition of Total Depravity for 500 years. Seriously, pop open your Calvin’s commentaries and read his presentation of it and compare it with the slow-pitch, warm, fuzzy presentations of it that we read today.
I detect…hostility. But no answer.SojournerOnEarth:
I belong to the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church Founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ where Christ is physically present during every Mass and Adoration, and His Mother Mary is my mother also and is honored.
Not some church founded by some guy in Europe with strange ideas a thousand years later.
Have a nice day!
Sloppy. Don’t put words in my mouth (others have observed you do this). I did not say that humanity was completely corrupted. I said the fall has touched every part of us.SojournerOnEarth:
Calvinists have been retreating on their definition of Total Depravity for 500 years. Seriously, pop open your Calvin’s commentaries and read his presentation of it and compare it with the slow-pitch, warm, fuzzy presentations of it that we read today.
Not. The. Same. Thing.
If you would like to argue that The Fall damaged humanity?
I’ll stand shoulder to shoulder with you against all foes of the idea - as will practically all other Catholics.
But if you want to argue that The Fall completely corrupted humanity, I’ve yet to see sufficient proof that this perfect-or-100%-ruined approach is true. None.
Tis_Bearself:
I detect…hostility. But no answer.SojournerOnEarth:
I belong to the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church Founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ where Christ is physically present during every Mass and Adoration, and His Mother Mary is my mother also and is honored.
Not some church founded by some guy in Europe with strange ideas a thousand years later.
Have a nice day!