I am not even in the mood to go here again, not today. Believe what you want, and deny what you will. Facts are facts. Either you’ll acknowledge them or you won’t. But as for today and quite possibly the next couple of weeks, I’m done! Take care adrift!
I’ve heard this argument a million times and it’s always a ridiculous one. Regardless of what people said about interracial marriage, there is nothing, absolutely nothing from a Biblical point of view that is against it. And the natural law as well as common sense shows that a black woman and a white man can conceive a baby together. Since the heart and soul of marriage is pro-creation, this is in line with Godly living.
I have to agree with ya! Their soup is lousy anyway! It’s like boycotting Starbucks. I don’t drink coffee anyway! lol
My DH has a question for you? What are “YOU” doing reading the Advocate?
I was resisting posting because I wanted this thread to just die out but since someone else brought it back up…
By that same token, it can be argued that other people committing incest and polygamy and pedophilia and rape and adultery don’t affect me personally either – but I’m still opposed to them.
I’m opposed to gay “marriage” for secular reasons as well as theological ones.
Please show me where that phrase is in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. (Hint: you won’t find it.)
No, those things do affect you. They affect you indirectly but they affect you. They hurt someone, police have to be paid to arrest people, their trials take up court time, they have to be supported in jail. All of this hurts you because you have to pay with your tax dollars. Two gay people living together does not hurt you in anyway or raise your taxes anymore than if they live in their own household.
You are correct, it’s not in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. But Thomas Jefferson first mentioned it in a letter he was addressing to a religious group and it was adopted by the Supreme Court and has been used in judgments since that inception.
When you are married in a heterosexual relationship with one of them. Not only does it affect the heterosexual person, but the children from that union as well.
That’s not an answer to my question. I asked how does a gay couple in a loving relationship affect your life.
I don’t think you understand -
No, I DID understand EXACTLY what you were referring to. I am asking how does two gay people in a loving relationship affect a heterosexual’s relationship. I am sorry a gay man married you because he felt like he couldn’t be open about his feelings thus making your life miserable. But if he had been in a gay relationship to start with no one would be affected.
Unfortunately you are wrong on this account as well - he was very open about his difficulties with me before we were married - we were aware of the difficulties involved Our life wasn’t miserable for the most part of it, in fact, we had a wonderful time for most of it and do so now again. His problems with SSA are symptomatic of early childhood trauma, something we weren’t aware of to begin with, but had our suspicions. When stresses of life come to bear on us, past traumas are often brought into play and this meant for him, as well as many others, a revisiting/replaying of that trauma that left an emotionally vunerable child unable to distinguish that he indeed was seeking the affirmation of men. Thankfully he ended up getting the right kind of help because he did want to remain married and continue to be the father of our children - this has been all possible because we have always been frank and open in our discussions. All it took was good psychology and real love for one another and a real underastanding and acceptance of faith. Real love isn’t just about sex - and let’s face it, soooo many men here have issues relating to sex, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual or homophobia -* and* I’ve never witnessed the HUGE amount of muscle flexing that goes on in this forum displaying this - please don’t tell me that has nothing to do with sex either!!! And yes, he would have been affected if he had chosen a ‘gay’ lifestyle, he has said himself that he would have never been happy because when he was unaware of the motives involved, he would simply be chasing experience after experience to satisfy the underlying emotional damage. And as I’ve said before, the Catholic Church gives you a choice - the gay community does not. They are guilty of assuming that just because someone might experience some SSA, they are branded as ‘gay’ and God help them if they ‘supress’ this - they are not being true to themselves!! And he knows this only too well - when involved with them, that was all they would say on the matter - it led him to near suicide - simply because he wanted to be straight and they were not there to help him with that at all!!! Coming back to his faith first and then the church, has helped him tremendously with this, as well as good pyschology.
First of all two homosexuals are not in a loving relationship. This outlook comes because there are those who trying to change the concept of what a loving relationship is. It hurts everyone in society because it promotes sin. One man sinned and it effected his descendants. We have ignored the sin of adultery and fortification and it has greatly diminished society. This type of relationship is self centered. It leads others to believe that they can only think of themselves. That is what Cain did. He asked “am I my brothers keeper?” That question comes from the devil. The definition of love is being changed to our detriment. Love becomes a feeling only. Protections that were once in place are now gone because of so called equal treatment. This applies to all sins. It is like we are all in a giant swimming pool and someone P’s polluting the water. Sin pollutes us in the same way as that pool.
Gay marriage hurts and cheapens the institution of marriage by making it a sham and meaningless ceremony; i.e., nothing more than a public declaration of current (and perhaps temporary) love. Marriage is supposed to be a true and complementary partnership ordered toward the creation of stable families and the raising of children with a mother *and *a father.
Firstly, if you view my relationship as misfortunate, then you are the one to be in the dark. I am the one who is most fortunate** now, as this has led me into a deeper faith with God AND a deeper relationship with my dh. I am not looking for your pity! I came here to simply answer your question which I feel I HAVE done - whether or not it’s the answer you want to hear seems to be more the point here.
I know you are wrong. I know plenty of homosexuals who are in very loving relationships. Many of whom have been in very long term relationships. And although you might think it’s a sin, they don’t. And as I said before, it doesn’t affect anyone.