Campus Crusade For Christ

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There are many denomination where members are not impacted by the Gospel ( I can’t say they don’t hear it). As a member of the my Catholic parish’s Evangelization Committee our assigned objective was to evangelize inactive Catholics.

See my prior testimony for my personal experience with CCC.
 
Having been in Campus Crusade I can say that they are anti-Catholic in the way many Protestants are. They often have vague ideas of Mary worship etc. Some are genuinely ecumenical. Others are not. I make it my policy to watch them carefully. If I get any hint they are recruiting my catholic youth for other churches then I pounce on them rabidly. I am essentially mistrustful as I know of situations where they have a general policy to convert catholics. So watch them carefully. As Ronald Reagan often said “trust but verify”.
 
Its’s been a long time since I was in college but the impression I got from Campus Crusade for Christ was that they were a relatively nice group of people but that they were rather narrow minded in the sense that they put one-to-one faith sharing on a higher level than any other Christian activity. Anyone who didn’t know the f’our spiritual laws’ was in need of evangelization/proselytization.

Obviously they are not a Catholic group and as such have a different view of salvation.

But if the individual members are anti-Catholic it is because they have a limited view of Christianity in general (as do many young Catholics.) If a Catholic professes to believe that Jesus is Savior and Lord then Campus Crusade would consider them a Christian. If a Catholic couldn’t/wouldn’t say Jesus is Savior and Lord, then the Campus Crusade member would not consider the person a Christian. While I might dispute the fact that a Catholic in the second category is not a Christian, I would agree that such a Catholic is in need of catechising.

I made some good friends through Campus Crusade.
 
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bengal_fan:
i think what he means is that even in the catholic church there are many who don’t have a relationship with God (even the catholic church aknowledges this). there are many “catholics” who don’t really know what their church teaches (just as there are many baptists and presbyterians and anglicans who don’t believe what their church actually teaches and deny the basic tenents of Christianity) and are therefore not Christians. they go to church out of obligation/duty/ritual whatever. there are also many catholics who love their faith and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and these folks aren’t targeted by ccfc (unless it is some volunteer or staff who are misinformed) but there are catholics who work for ccfc and volunteer and participate in reaching out to others. the only reason i say this is because i feel that it is very easy to put words into some one’s mouth when the intentions of his words might be very different.
Again, nobody is putting words in anyone’s mouth. I think Mr. Bright’s words speak for themselves. It is clear he is specifically targeting a Catholic country and Catholics *because * they are Catholics.

Tell you what: you find something by him or other CCFF leaders making some even *remotely * equivalent statement about other Christians, saying, for example, that they need to evangelize England to reach Anglicans, to evangelize Germany to reach Lutherans, to Scotland to evangelize Presbyterians, etc., etc… Even, “Let’s converge on the next Southern Baptist convention and bring the gospel to those Baptists!”

Find anything like those sentiments voiced, and I’ll eat my head.
 
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Fidelis:
Why don’t we let Mr. Bright speak for himself.
I agree with Fidelis, and thank you for posting his words which are illuminative. Even though many, if not most (in charity) of the people involved with the group may not actively proselytize Catholics, Mr. Bright’s comments do show some assumption that Catholics “do not know Christ”, a common “concern” among Evangelicals who think that our rituals and doctrines are idolatrous.
 
I don’t think you are going to get any ‘whore of Babylon’ or ‘the Pope is the anti-christ’ kind of talk coming from CCC but at the same time many of them honestly just don’t understand Catholicism. They don’t understand that we do have a ‘personal relationship’ with Jesus. We just don’t call it that. They don’t understand that we agree that the Bible is inspired and yes…we read it! They don’t understand the things they have ‘heard’ or have honestly been deceived with the myths concerning Catholicism…so no wonder they feel its their duty to ‘evangelize us’.

dream wanderer
 
I don’t just have a personal relationship with Jesus, I have an intimate relationship with Him.
 
Dreamwanderer and Fidelis- Thank you for your comments. I completely agree. In the last few years I read Blessed Child (fiction)by Bill Bright and Ted Dekker and absolutely loved it. I had never heard of this Bill Bright guy and there appeared to be LOADS of stuff by him at the Christian bookstore- so I checked out the Campus Crusade website and some other materials by him. It seems to me, he is a genuine, good man whose object is to reach souls and have them develop a relationship with Christ. I also believe that he really doesn’t have a clue about Catholics- you can tell by the statement he made…
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Fidelis:
that repudiating the agreement would probably cause tens of millions of Catholics to not hear the gospel and to be eternally lost.”
Not hear the gospel? Anyone been to Catholic mass lately? I believe he, like many other Evangelical Protestants, operates under a series of misconceptions when it comes to Catholics.
 
I participated heavily in Campus Crusade for Christ (CCC) activities while I was a student. I was briefly elected an officer of my campus student organization. In 1976 I went on a “Summer Project” to Honolulu, Hawaii. At the end of the summer, I went on a tour with some friends. We visited the Kalapapa Peninsula leper colony. There were still scores of patients with Hansen’s disease there at that time. Our guide had disfigured fingers, toes and ear lobes. And cloths between his fingers and toes. A miracle of faith to me was this: that Father Damian went to the leper colony knowing that he would not leave alive. I read the main points of Father Damian’s unwritten autobiography as our guide showed us around. The State of Hawaii recognized his Sainthood with its placement in 1969 of Father Damian’s statue into the National Statuary Hall Collection (located in US Capital House connecting corridor, first floor). The lepers still loved Father Damian because he loved them - and he loved them because Christ first loved him. Agape love. Father Damian is Blessed. Father Damian is two steps along (out of three). I browsed the Vatican web site to find Regina Coeli, 4 June 1995. Translating it using Altvista’s Babel Fish (Italian to English) shows (point 2) that Pope John Paul II declared “Gioisci for Damiano Father!” A seed was planted and has taken years for me to realize it. I think in older age (almost 50), a quietness and openness in my soul helps me to understand more.

Campus Crusade for Christ (CCC) is definitely a “sola scriptura” group, but Christian (not a heresy like Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses). Strictly speaking, college-age participants are not members of the organization. The CCC staff must raise their own financial support (same as many other similar groups).

They are very evangelistic. Sometimes to an extreme. But really I don’t think CCC wants the extremes – they are probably new CCC people who go a little overboard with too little training. Actually the evangelism is really the result of Christian discipleship in small groups. This may be hard to believe because some evangelistic outreaches get quite big. With CCC, the focus is really more on Christian discipleship. And it is very effective. Much of the teaching about sin is very close to what Catholics teach. We even learned a “Confession” (to write all our sins on a piece of paper, pray to ask God’s forgiveness, then to write out the words of 1 John 1:9 on the back and tear it up). Bill Bright died (last year I think). CCC has helped (with other Christian groups including Catholics and Orthodox) to bring change to many communist countries. So people are finding Jesus spiritually, but are not brought into full communion with the Roman Catholic Church.

Some of the best friends I made while participating were cradle Roman Catholics who left the Roman Catholic church. I am confident that CCC was a very good experience for even them. Just because you spend a lot of time in a garage doesn’t turn you into a car. I am waiting to go into RCIA this fall. Perhaps many of those friends may re-discover the Roman Catholic Church. On EWTN I saw a good show. You get gifts in the Church (Baptism, Confirmation), but you do need to open them up yourself and spend time growing closer to Jesus. As Paul exhorted Timothy, to stir up the gift (2 Timothy 1:6). I suppose the only RC who leave are those who haven’t found their gifts nor stirred them up while they were in the church.

Hebrews 12:6 “for whom the Lord loves, he disciplines; he scourges every son he acknowledges”. This is obviously happening in the Roman Catholic Church today, worldwide.
Maybe it will become more rare for Catholics to leave the Church someday (when more Churches are hot instead of luke warm).

At my university, the CCC was the largest chartered undergraduate student group. It was even larger than the student government group.
 
Have you read their Statement Of Faith ? I’m sorry, but it doesn"t sound “catholic friendly” to me.
 
Yes. And I doubt if any of their full-time ministerial staff members are practicing Roman Catholics. And none of their Bible Studies quote from Deuterocanonical Books. Remember, the group is very much sola scriptura, Protestant Christian and not Catholic or Orthodox.

However, I know that quite a few people have changed from being athiest or agnostic to being Christian (as a result of Campus Crusade for Christ).

Or from being a nominal Christian (only extrinsically motivated by parents, etc) to being intrinsically motivated. That would describe my experience.

I’m sure that far fewer Roman Catholics have left their Church.

For one thing, their Campus ministry is only focusing on discipling college students (usually undergraduate students). Once a student graduates, if they don’t join their ministry somehow as a staff member it is very likely that the graduated student no longer has any ties at all (except perhaps as a financial supporter).

It is my opinion that a well grounded Roman Catholic (intrinsically motivated) would ordinarily find a good Roman Catholic college group to join instead.

Important Point: Sometimes youth explore other religions as a means of self-expression and freedom from their parents. My mother had a cousin who married a Baptist minister. When their children became adults (large family), their children went every which way (Buddhist, Agnostic, Unitarian Universalist, etc.). Anything but Baptist and mostly non-Christian. I suppose religion was important in their family and it became for their children (now older adults) an important area for self expression and independence. At least they are very sincere in what they found. My Buddhist cousin’s new name is Grace Laughing Meadows. And I think I am one of the few relatives who accepts her new name.

I suppose most parents would feel better for their nominal Catholic youth (extrinsically motivated) to become an intrinsically motivated Christian – instead of athiest or Mormon. Better to be intrinsically motivated to please Christ than extrinsically motivated (their heart not being in it at all). At least there is the hope that when they get older they may find their sacrimental upbringing did have meaning in their lives (and perhaps return).

A Roman Catholic who is only extrinsically motivated (parents make them, or peer pressure, etc.) to go to Mass, Confession, etc., really needs some change in their life anyway. They aren’t expressing themselves.

Perhaps this is why I am told that Roman Catholic converts tend to be very good Roman Catholics (vs. Cradle Catholics). But cradle Catholics can also be intrinsically motivated, if they really do love Jesus and want to draw nearer to Him.

It is at this time in my life that I see other things and understand better (Father Damian and Bishop Sheen). And so I am waiting for RCIA.
 
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jmm08:
Yes. And I doubt if any of their full-time ministerial staff members are practicing Roman Catholics.
campus crusade does have a few catholics as full time staff. their statement of faith does not conflict with catholicism (although it might be read that way when it comes to scripture as final authority, but their point is to show that they submit to an authority and the organization fully supports a church’s authority, and i know that you would then ask “what church?” and i would say as would a ccfc staff, “whatever Christian church you attend” and this would include catholic).
 
In my time knowing folks in Campus Crusade, I don’t think they are anti-Catholic, but I have no doubt there are anti-Catholics in the organization.
 
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Zski01:
In my time knowing folks in Campus Crusade, I don’t think they are anti-Catholic, but I have no doubt there are anti-Catholics in the organization.
almost well said. while i agree with your heart behind this statement, i wouldn’t say there are anti-catholics in ccfc but misinformed protestants who don’t understand the catholic church. i don’t think anyone in ccfc is calling the catholic church the “whore of babylon” or the pope the “antichrist” or anything like that. i know you didn’t mean that but i felt i need to clarify that with folks in here.
 
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Apologia100:
One, I object to the inclusion of the term crusade. That’s a Catholic word and I want it back.

Other than that I see nothing on their website that is rabidly anti-catholic. However, the case would be made that if they were entirely in line with Catholic theology they would BE Catholic.
Haha, amen. Crusade is not for Protestants to use at will, unless they are referring to Batman (Caped "Crusade"er). I’ve heard about them, and they sound like a peaceful bunch. At least they aren’t anti-Catholic gobbledygoopers.
 
My experiences with the CCC movement (not the Catechism of the Catholic Church, lol!) have been rather unnerving. Not because I have detected rabid anti-Catholicism, but because most of their members cannot even agree upon the nature of Christ… a few members at my university have approached me during lunch/dinner several times during the year (I’m usually wearing my San Damiano cross or clutching a rosary when it happens. Got my Catholic high beams on, doncha know). They usually have started with something innocent like “We’re taking a survey and we’d like you to answer the following questions…” So I answer them, but never in the simple yes/no format they want.

They usually sit there completely blank-faced, and then one will blink and say “Well, we have a personal relationship with Jesus.” My reply? “I do, too. Only it’s not just a spiritual communion, it’s a physical one, too!” Their response: “you mean The Lord’s Supper? It’s just symbolic.” Usually I sigh and say loud enough for everyone in an earshot to hear: “but I thought you guys believe EVERY word of the Bible is to be taken literaly.” “Well, we do.” “So why is the Eucharist just a symbol to you? Why is baptism not regenerative? Why is Mary not the Mother of God? Why do you believe that Jesus did not found a visible Church upon Peter, the Rock? Why do you believe Sola Scriptura–scripture denies it.” By this point in the conversation they’re handing me a pamphlet and are turning to leave. Funny, becuase all I ever do is ask them a few honest questions. The best thing that they can hit me with after that are ‘testimonies’ of former ‘slaves of Rome,’ probably courtesy of Jack Chick. :whacky:
 
catholicnerd (good name btw),

i like the way you answered their survey and the students who talked with you are not supposed to deny doctrinal issues of any denomination. once you said you had a person relationship with Jesus, they are supposed to either leave you alone, ask what church you attend and begin to fellowship, see if you want to join with them in witnessing to others, or ask if you want to pray for your campus together. they aren’t supposed to debate you. it sounds like they started and then backed off which was wrong on their part but i also wonder what your attitude was when you were questioning them. did they feel confronted or did they see it as a couple of Christians discussing doctrinal issues? the former would cause them to walk away (or become angry and quote jack chick) while the latter might lead to a fruitful discussion. just my :twocents:
 
It has been 20 years since I was very much involved with CCFC as a student (see my threads above). And I regard it as a good experience (for me).

I really think CatholicNerd’s experience may be very typical. I do not recall any CCFC Bible study material that talks about Holy Communion. If they did, it would have been too controversial (putting Lutherans, Episcopalians against all other Protestants). But most students participating in CCFC are Protestant. I can tell you from first-hand experience (yes, I have taken surveys and shared “The Four Spiritual Laws” – over a period of several years) that CatholicNerd’s answers (as good as they are) would have been completely over my head back then. If a Catholic had told me that Mary was God’s Mother, I would have misunderstood that the Catholic actually thought Mary existed before the creation of the world and before Jesus was God. Unfortunately, much Roman Catholic teaching seems to be heresy until you really learn it correctly. And if any of you are unsure of your own beliefs as a Roman Catholic, why don’t you volunteer to help your RCIA class this year (so you can learn better as well). You can get an even get an indulgence for it. (Whoa, I am sounding Catholic aren’t I)

The Bible Study materials for CCFC discipleship groups are centrally produced. And CCFC teachings are very much sola scriptura. Campus Crusade for Christ is very much a discipleship focused ministry. Their primary aim is to Win, Build and Send. And the Roman Catholic Church could learn some from their very effective strategies. Despite the magnitude of their occasional evangelical outreaches (they are also really just a training tool – helping to disciple and encourage). Their Christian discipleship has a very effective, but it really is absolutely not Roman Catholic.

The CCFC belief system is different. To CCFC, salvation is based on sincerely saying a prayer to ask Jesus into your heart. A one-time experience that makes you saved. And they don’t think you can lose your salvation. To some degree the CCFC beliefs are Calvanistic. So CCFC members will think that to a great degree the Roman Catholics are all lost (because they haven’t asked Jesus into their heart).

If your College-Age child is a Roman Catholic (who is intrinsically seeking God’s greater Glory), then I suggest that this would be the wrong group for them to join. Instead, they should look for a Roman Catholic College group. Even though I was not a Catholic, I joined the Roman Catholic Chapel Choir at my college (the best Classical Christian music). It seems to me to be a great example of the kind of group that would most benefit a Roman Catholic College student (at a non-Catholic University or College).

If your College-Age child is a Roman Catholic (perhaps extrinsically motivated) and really wants to get involved with CCFC, then I would say they may be making an adult decision. Perhaps you should honor their decision. A lot of freshmen students take their freedom and go drinking, experiment with smoking pot, and try a few one-nighters with the opposite sex. In comparison, if your child really wants to be in a certain Christian student group it may be a good move for parents to go along with it.

I estimate that really only a half (at best) of all college students involved with CCFC are completely intrinsically motivated.

In case there are some CCFC ministerial staff members reading this, to understand Roman Catholic theology it is necessary to research Roman Catholic materials to discover what they really teach. Looking at Jack Chick materials (or similar) is very misleading. A lot of protestant teaching about what Roman Catholics believe is incorrect. Perhaps in part, because so many Roman Catholics also do not fully understand what they believe. It is my opinion that perhaps the best English-Language presentation of Roman Catholic beliefs is in Fulton J. Sheen’s videos and books.
 
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Fidelis:
Why don’t we let Mr. Bright speak for himself…
*"Other endorsers have emphasized the opportunity ECT provides for presenting the Gospel to Catholics. Commenting on his meeting with his evangelical detractors, Bill Bright wrote to his supporters that ECT “facilitated our evangelism in Catholic countries.” He argued that removing his name from the document could result in the loss of salvation for many Catholic souls: “Since the ECT Statement had already helped us reach more Catholics in other countries, the Holy Spirit brought tears to my eyes before these men [McArthur and Sproul] as I explained that repudiating the agreement would probably cause tens of millions of Catholics to not hear the gospel and to be eternally lost.” *

*Bright’s Campus Crusade for Christ International, in fact, has targeted Spain for mission work. One wonders if Campus Crusaders will remember ECT’s distinction between legitimate evangelization and sheep-stealing?" *
Fidelis, I agree with the point you have made, even as you have let Bill Bright’s words speak on their own. To me, it’s scary.

CCFC, like most evangelical Protestant organizations, is inherently anti-Catholic. Their message, as bengal_fan pointed out, is so much on having “an experience with Christ” or having a “personal relationship with Jesus”. That is just so Protestant. It’s all about an individual person’s feelings and his/her interpretation. (I don’t mean any offense, bengal_fan.)
 
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jmm08:
The CCFC belief system is different. To CCFC, salvation is based on sincerely saying a prayer to ask Jesus into your heart. A one-time experience that makes you saved. And they don’t think you can lose your salvation. To some degree the CCFC beliefs are Calvanistic. So CCFC members will think that to a great degree the Roman Catholics are all lost (because they haven’t asked Jesus into their heart).

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Yes! I didn’t see this until after I posted (got interrupted while typing) but that is part of what I mean. If you don’t say a personal prayer “asking Jesus into your heart”, then you are not “saved.”
 
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